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Changes ahead: I bought a new house!!!

by Jenise » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:06 pm

Well, not new-new, but new to us. As Bob's disease has progressed, the need to relocate to a single story home has become an imperative and I've been getting desperate. Don't have the time, unfortunately, to wait for the perfect home. I've been looking for months and came close to buying two other homes. In fact, one I would have made an offer on but learned that an offer had been accepted the night before. The second had a lot of good things about it but some strong negatives too, the kind that make you go "well that's not good, but I can live with it". Like a two year old 2300 sf house with no laundry room, just a washer and dryer plunked in a hallway between the kitchen and a guest BR and BA? Oh, and though that one offered total main floor living which we have to have, there were two BRs on the second story. Okay because Bob would never have to go up there, but not ideal.

Then this past weekend I learned of a house in my own neighborhood about to go on the market and owned by people I know from the Wine Club I used to manage, but I'd never been in it. Took a tour Sunday morning and made an offer 30 minutes in, or was it only 25. I'm going to lose my beach but it's on a lake so we have a view and more importantly, we won't have to stare at the back of someone else's fence which is best part of any view IMO. The owner/wife was confined to a wheelchair at the time they were designing the home so it's disabled-friendly in all the important ways. It was easy to instantly assess that it has everything we need in 1700 sf (half the space we have now) and nothing I hate. Especially compared to the many-more concessions I was going to have to make in any other home I considered.

Except the size of the kitchen. It's one corner of a large great room, adequate for most people but downright skimpy for me. I actually told myself to suck it up "because Jeff Grossman makes do with something even smaller". I'll have to live with appliances on the counter, something I intensely dislike. But that aside, there IS room for my 8 person 1920 Italian art deco dining table. And I can add some cabinetry on the dining room wall to make more storage.

Other good things: it has a real laundry room with a sink, the master bath has a wide walk-in shower with room for a shower chair, and surprisingly for a house this small there's a 3 car garage, one bay of which the current owner turned into a work room. You always need a place to fix stuff, right? I know we do, and my hot little golf cart will go in there too. Also, the new house is on a small lake so we will have the lake view and migrating water fowl by day and at night the lights of the homes immediately across and on the tree-lined ridge above. There's a very good sized outdoor patio 'room' with a fire pit, roof overhead and lighting for evening entertaining on the lake that's not included in the square footage. We even have a dock in case we take up kayaking (fat chance).

We negotiated our own deal and will be bringing in realtors to handle the paperwork. SO lucky to find this; it's an exceptional home and if it had gone on the market it would have been scooped up in days and a bidding war would have ensued. Am I sure it will happen? Yes; we visited again yesterday; Tom had already removed the oar over the garage door that had their name on it, sanded and repainted it to read: Bob and Jenise Stone. Sweetest thing ever.

So, new chapter: Jenise without a pantry. From a 13x6 cold room with appliance storage to a mere cupboard.

But Bob will be safe there. And that's all that really matters.
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Re: Changes ahead: I bought a new house!!!

by Jeff Grossman » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:10 pm

Jenise,

That sounds like a great place! I'm glad to hear that Bob will be safer there, and that you will also enjoy the house as yourself (not just as his care-giver).

Lake view! I have buildings in every direction outside my windows.

In re appliances, get a little rolling cart and trolley away anything you aren't actively using. I have a rolling bar unit with an extra drawer and a flip top I can open for extra horizontal space; another friend happened to have a convenient staircase to his basement so he put a shelf right there to stack irregularly used appliances.

1200 bottles is still a lot to move. I suppose you don't have 100 cardboard boxes sitting around so it's a lot of in and out. I hope you will have help.

What a wonderful New Year's present to yourselves!


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Re: Changes ahead: I bought a new house!!!

by Karen/NoCA » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:19 pm

It sounds like your guardian angel is looking after you and Bob, Jenise. That is a great find. It brought back memories of when Gene and I were looking for our first home, his mom insisted we buy a two-story. When I asked why, she said you can send the kids upstairs to be quiet and have peace downstairs! OMG, thankfully I had the sense to respond to her saying we have discussed it already and want to teach our children to interact with adults, show respect, and be quiet when told. We are going to buy a single story with plenty of room and yard! Never again did she get into my business about how to live or raise kids.
Good luck, and I know you will be happy with your choice now and in the future.
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Re: Changes ahead: I bought a new house!!!

by Jenise » Tue Dec 31, 2024 5:45 pm

Jeff Grossman wrote:Jenise,

That sounds like a great place! I'm glad to hear that Bob will be safer there, and that you will also enjoy the house as yourself (not just as his care-giver).

Lake view! I have buildings in every direction outside my windows.

In re appliances, get a little rolling cart and trolley away anything you aren't actively using. I have a rolling bar unit with an extra drawer and a flip top I can open for extra horizontal space; another friend happened to have a convenient staircase to his basement so he put a shelf right there to stack irregularly used appliances.

1200 bottles is still a lot to move. I suppose you don't have 100 cardboard boxes sitting around so it's a lot of in and out. I hope you will have help.

What a wonderful New Year's present to yourselves!
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Jeff, I would estimate that this kitchen has about one third the amount of space I have here and that's not including the pantry. The stove is on an island with counter height bar seating. I actually had to check out the stove yesterday when I went back--I had paid no attention to whether it's gas or electric. It's gas. I may want to consider upgrading to cleaner induction. I will not hesitate to replace anything--I have more money than I'll ever be able to spend on this planet, so why not. The dining room wall is available for adding cabinetry--the trick will be to create a contrasting design that integrates. The home is craftsman bungalow in style inside with fir trim everywhere. Unfortunately, it's not craftsman bungalow outside although the front door is fabulous in a Frank Lloyd Wright kind of way. Though this was a custom build, it was built by a builder who has a pretty standard exterior 'look'. You can tell the Wiebe houses from the others he built here. Which I'm not a fan of. And it's all beige outside and green inside. We'll be investing in a lot of Navajo white!

Irregularly used appliances will end up in the guest bedroom closet, it's right behind the kitchen along with an office space. The master suite is on the other side of the great room. The coffee grinder and toaster oven will have to live on the counter. But I might invest in a larger toaster oven that could double as a second oven. Typical of most homes in this area, I won't have double wall ovens.

But yes a lake. And I wouldn't mind buildings if I lived in the city, that would be exciting. But here, a view of a lake and tall pine trees is a good thing. Oh, and the owners planted tall hedges that are sculpted into long rows that offer privacy from the neighbors either side (both of whom I know and like). And the hot tub. Yes, there's a hot tub. That's the west side of the house. There's a porch out front on the east side for morning coffee with the sunrise. And room for my outdoor sculptures, too. I'm taking two of the three we own with us. Which sounds hoity toity but it's not. It's just that I'm unconventional and if I'm going to have yard art, it's going to be serious art! (I'll have to hire a pre-cast concrete guy with a long trailer and 60 foot boom to lift and move them.)

Karen, great story. You've clearly been standing up for yourself all your life. Speaking of single story vs. double, I grew up lusting for a house big enough to have a second story. To my Southern California brain, that looked rich. Bob, on the other hand, came from Texas, where single story houses were THE sign of wealth: if you had to build a second story, then you didn't buy enough land! Here where I live now, except for custom builds on acreage, all new construction is two story on tiny lots. Single story homes are rare, and usually older.
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Re: Changes ahead: I bought a new house!!!

by Robin Garr » Wed Jan 01, 2025 5:53 am

In glad things worked out so well for you, Jenise, and that you’re in a position to improve it even more!
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Re: Changes ahead: I bought a new house!!!

by Jenise » Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:11 am

Wish I'd done this six months ago, but at least it's not too late.
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by Bill Spohn » Wed Jan 01, 2025 12:45 pm

So lucky to find the right place and so close! If you have time, take any plants you are attached to with you (assuming that the new place has garden room for them). Glad Bob likes the relocation.

Moving the wine can be a chore - I was lucky as I had my cellar (at the time of our move) in old wood and wire cases designed for glass milk bottles - it was easy to just take them down, turn them upright and stack them in a van. Maybe you can talk to a wine shop locally and ask them to save their boxes for you? Even 10 boxes would mean you could make only around 10 trips....
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Re: Changes ahead: I bought a new house!!!

by Karen/NoCA » Wed Jan 01, 2025 1:00 pm

Where I live, the homes are ranch-style, big, and roomy, with family rooms, separate living rooms, and formal dining rooms. They all have enough property to house one or two horses. Some lots were purchased and built by private contractors who built two-story homes. It was learned quickly that two stories amid one story is not good. The people in the two stories complained that the neighbors could see into their upstairs bedrooms. The single-story complained that the two stories could see them in their yards and they had no privacy. Soon, tall trees were brought in, arbors and creative privacy fences or other things. It has all worked out, but then the two stories were built
up the street.
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by Bill Spohn » Wed Jan 01, 2025 1:20 pm

Karen/NoCA wrote: The people in the two stories complained that the neighbors could see into their upstairs bedrooms. The single-story complained that the two stories could see them in their yards and they had no privacy. .


Fences. Tall fences! Also trees but that takes a few years. "Good fences make good neighbors" (Robert Frost). Most municipalities regulate maximum heights buy some don't and they give privacy while waiting for trees to grow.
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by Jenise » Wed Jan 01, 2025 6:36 pm

Bill Spohn wrote:Fences. Tall fences! Also trees but that takes a few years. "Good fences make good neighbors" (Robert Frost). Most municipalities regulate maximum heights buy some don't and they give privacy while waiting for trees to grow.


Bill, The lake house is 12 years old, not new--only new to us. The current owners planted arbor vitae hedges (perfectly shaped and manicured, too) on either side that block viewing by the next door neighbors but leave the back open for views across the lake where the closest house is maybe 150 yards away. Close enough to wave at people but far enough away that our privacy isn't impacted.

And back to Robin, yes I'm fortunate. Also, I'll make more than twice the price of the new house on the sale of this waterfront house with it's own beach, and that will handily take care of the relatively small expenses needed to tailor the lake house to our needs.
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by Jeff Grossman » Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:29 am

Jenise wrote:Jeff, I would estimate that this kitchen has about one third the amount of space I have here and that's not including the pantry. The stove is on an island with counter height bar seating. I actually had to check out the stove yesterday when I went back--I had paid no attention to whether it's gas or electric. It's gas. I may want to consider upgrading to cleaner induction.

The switch to induction also means you are not dependent on wherever the gas line happens to be. Gives you more latitude to rearrange.

I will not hesitate to replace anything--I have more money than I'll ever be able to spend on this planet, so why not.

Indeed!

The home is craftsman bungalow in style inside with fir trim everywhere.

I love the look of fir but (and you may already know this) it is very soft. Some friends of mine had a Craftsman house with fir floors and she discovered very quickly that her high heels left little circles behind her....

Irregularly used appliances will end up in the guest bedroom closet, it's right behind the kitchen along with an office space.

OK. Does it make sense to cut through the closet wall and install a cabinet door in the kitchen?

The coffee grinder and toaster oven will have to live on the counter. But I might invest in a larger toaster oven that could double as a second oven.

All of my friends are buying air fryers that pivot up when not in use. I think they are favoring the Ninja brand.

And I wouldn't mind buildings if I lived in the city, that would be exciting.

Well, it's to be expected, anyway. :lol:

And the hot tub.

Always a nice perq, even if they take some maintenance.

And room for my outdoor sculptures, too. I'm taking two of the three we own with us. Which sounds hoity toity but it's not. It's just that I'm unconventional and if I'm going to have yard art, it's going to be serious art! (I'll have to hire a pre-cast concrete guy with a long trailer and 60 foot boom to lift and move them.)

Aye, aye, Cap'n.


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Jeff, fortunately the floors are oak, but there are doors and a lot of trim around doorways etc and that's all fir. Maybe even the kitchen cabinets--again I didn't look that carefully. I was concentrating on floor plan and distribution of space. The panic of "where will I put everything?"

Re induction, I had not considered that! But the stove is in a large island and probably has to stay there (because of the range hood). The cabinetry, fridge, kitchen sink etc. are in an L shape around it. Probably isn't much flexibility. After 20 years of battling the grimey effluent of high BTU gas cooking, I am ready to consider something else. At least I did notice that the DW is to the right of the kitchen sink, which I really appreciate. I've seen instances where that's not the case but I'm hopelessly right-handed and wouldn't want to work the opposite direction.

Re air fryer/oven, my friend Warren has one that's pretty good sized with double French doors. I like that look. What do you mean by "pivot up"?

I've never had a hot tub before! I love them, but it's not safe for Bob so I may not be able to use it.
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by Mark Lipton » Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:35 pm

Jenise, my most sincere sympathies dealing with the smaller kitchen. An observation from our most recent experience at an AirBNB in San Rafael, CA. The owner had installed cabinetry designed for smaller kitchens: the drawers had a separate, low clearance drawer set within, so that once you opened one drawer, you had to open the second to get at e.g. the silverware, knives and small utensils. She also had a fold-out spice cabinet in one lower drawer. It was a bit more involved to get at things but was a most efficient use of the space.
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by Jeff Grossman » Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:34 am

Jenise wrote:After 20 years of battling the grimey effluent of high BTU gas cooking, I am ready to consider something else.


I surrendered on that front long ago. The cabinet above the stove is slowly turning orange (I cook a lot of salmon, relatively speaking) and there is just nothing I can do about it. Any cleaning product that removes grease will also remove the paint.

At least I did notice that the DW is to the right of the kitchen sink, which I really appreciate. I've seen instances where that's not the case but I'm hopelessly right-handed and wouldn't want to work the opposite direction.

Me, too. I had not even noticed it but mine is on the right. I wonder if that bothers Pumpkin?

Re air fryer/oven, my friend Warren has one that's pretty good sized with double French doors. I like that look. What do you mean by "pivot up"?

See the first minute or so of these vids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTwhMFFtE0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrlJXsl5D8

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by Dale Williams » Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:12 pm

Jeff Grossman wrote:
At least I did notice that the DW is to the right of the kitchen sink, which I really appreciate. I've seen instances where that's not the case but I'm hopelessly right-handed and wouldn't want to work the opposite direction.

Me, too. I had not even noticed it but mine is on the right. I wonder if that bothers Pumpkin?


Is this a convention? I've never really thought of it before, but thinking back on it every house or apartment I've ever lived I think it's been to right of sink. All 3 of the houses of my parents as well. Thinking of friends' homes I can only think of 2 where I think the dishwasher was to the left.
I'm not strongly dominant - I write, eat, and tie my shoes lefthanded, play sports right handed - so doesn't really bother me, but never thought of before.
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by Dale Williams » Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:16 pm

ok, weirdly, a quick google has a bunch of articles (and AI overview) saying righthanded people want on left, and vice versa (the logic being dominant hand scraping, other hand just placing in dishwasher). Obviously Jenise disagrees!

https://www.homesandgardens.com/kitchen ... -of-a-sink
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by Jeff Grossman » Fri Jan 03, 2025 4:32 pm

They are wrong. You do not need to scrape with the dominant hand -- either hand will execute a brushing motion just fine. But you do need your dominant hand to slide that plate edge into the narrow slot between the prongs of the dish racking.
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by Jenise » Sat Jan 04, 2025 10:11 am

Every DW I've ever had has been right of the sink. Every. One. I only started thinking about this recently when I looked at a house where it was on the left side, and then dropped by my brother's where his is opposite the sink on the island where dishes drip on the floor as they make the journey over from pre-rinsing (which we're pretty religious about). That might be even worse! So then I started paying attention to photos in RE listings. I'd say 90% are to the right.

Loading to the left for me would be like learning to drive a stick-shift in a right-hand drive car, which I had to do once in my life. I somehow reflexively expected the shift pattern to be the mirror version of left-hand drive: i.e., first gear closest to my body and 3rd furthest away. And if it had, learning to drive in England would have been a piece of cake. But no, it was the exact same gear box, so first was the furthest away. Result was that the first few months I spent all my time in 3rd gear, both when I wanted to be and when I should have been in 1st instead. :)

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by Jenise » Sat Jan 04, 2025 10:19 am

Jeff Grossman wrote: Me, too. I had not even noticed it but mine is on the right. I wonder if that bothers Pumpkin?


He's been left-handed all his life, he probably just accepts it along with the scissors and other indiginities lefties suffer in our right-handed world.

Re the Ninja--now that's NEAT. Haven't seen that before, only issue is that it's not really a second oven. Can't cook a roast in it, that is.
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Re: Changes ahead: I bought a new house!!!

by Jo Ann Henderson » Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:17 pm

Perfect description of the new digs, Jenise. I was able to mentally walk through it and visualize the surroundings. I’m drooling. I understand the kitchen thing, mine is really small and was the “mistake” I made when we decided to downsize our plans by 300 sf in order to make the budget work when we built 30+ years ago. Long story with regrets only I have been impacted by. You have obviously lived right with better angels looking out for you. Good for you and Kudos to Bob for making a lot of right choices along the way as well, the biggest one being you! Live it up, you two.
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by Jenise » Sat Jan 04, 2025 3:12 pm

Jo Ann, no better angels at work or I wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. :) But yeah I made a smart decision here. And over the holidays spent enough time with friends that I realized that despite how much I'd like to live closer to doctors and Bellingham in general, the friends we have here in the neighborhood are more important. We went to one party where there were like 25 or 30 people in attendance and of those only six were not people that I know from the wine club I built here. And everybody's concerned and wants to help. One of them is on the other side of my desk right now trying to help us figure out which of all the old computers Bob saved need to have their hard drives wiped out before they go off to e-waste. (Probably all, because Bob was not diligent about things like that.)

The new house will be just fine. Don't know where I'm going to put everything. Here I have a hole drawer that contains nothing but ramekins (a weakness of mine). And a cupboard just for terrine moulds. Can't live that way in the future. But it will be lovely and eventually, when I'm on my own, it will be just right.
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by Jeff Grossman » Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:29 am

Jenise wrote:And a cupboard just for terrine moulds. Can't live that way in the future.

Mail them to Spohn. Choose a particularly slow service so he can forget all about this post and enjoy the surprise.

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