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Cynthia Wenslow
Pizza Princess
5746
Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:32 pm
The Third Coast
That's twice this week I've been on a soapbox ... I promise to get off and stay off for a while ...
Eric Ifune
Ultra geek
196
Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:51 pm
Las Vegas, NV and elsewhere
Karen/NoCA wrote:What else can we do, Bill?
Mike Filigenzi
Known for his fashionable hair
8187
Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 pm
Sacramento, CA
Mike Filigenzi
Known for his fashionable hair
8187
Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 pm
Sacramento, CA
Bill Spencer wrote:%^)
Mike lives close to one of the most prolifically perfect farming areas in California ... BUT -
Peruvian asparagus has nearly put his local asparagus farmers out of business ...
Chilean tree fruit growers have put his WONDERFUL cling and freestone peach farmers out of business ...
Imported rice has nearly put his rice farmers out of business ...
And that's just THREE of the major crops grown close to Mike ... farmers who grow other varieties of fresh fruits and vegetables there are on the ropes also ...
TERRIBLE !
Clink !
%^)
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
On a down note, I was just sitting with some co-workers on a coffee break and they were discussing how much cheaper they can get stuff at "Food For Less" than at Albertson's or Safeway. Quality and origin of what they buy did not seem to enter the picture in any form.
Mike Filigenzi (Sacto) wrote:Quality and origin of what they buy did not seem to enter the picture in any form.
Mike
Stuart Yaniger wrote:Just out of curiosity, what is the aggregate actual volume or weight of agricultural produce grown in the US? How does that compare to, say, 30 years ago? Not per capita, not broken down by item, and not acreage, just pure output.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Paul Winalski
Wok Wielder
8489
Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Paul Winalski wrote:In a word, total and utter bullshit. Shameless scare-mongering from one of the most cosseted, protected, and subsidized industries in the nation.
I don't buy a word of it.
Paul Winalski
Wok Wielder
8489
Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Stuart Yaniger wrote:But before positioning this as a national security need, I still would recommend that you have the numbers on domestic agro output over time and that they actually show decline as your thesis supposes. That's better than bald assertion and "I think I read something like that somewhere" in convincing the open-minded.
Carl Eppig
Our Maine man
4149
Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:38 pm
Middleton, NH, USA
Paul Winalski wrote:But I still strongly dispute that this is a national security issue. For starters, there are many independent suppliers of fresh fruit and vegetables, and the US is enough of a market, and powerful enough to avoid a blocade, that I don't see any way that supply could be cut off, even if all domestic producers were to go out of business tomorrow. And even in the case of a blocade (as occurred partially during WW I and WW II), domestic production and individual "victory gardens" can be ramped up rapidly to take up the slack on the essential produce items.
My own occupation (software engineering) is facing commoditization, consolidation, downsizing, outsourcing, etc., without any sort of governmental or social assistance. So you'll have to forgive me if I have zero sympathy when farmers face the same issues and then try to appeal for governmental intervention.
The economy is global, and we all have to live with it--both the positives and the negatives.
-Paul W. (whose former job is now being done in India)
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