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by Jenise » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:13 am

So a local bright spot for us: a great local couple with five kids who live in our rural hamlet started a coffee roastery as a family business called Barnyard Coffee. We love and support what they do--all the coffee's fair trade and organic--and enjoy visiting their home to walk thru the ducks and chickens to the building behind the house where we can help ourselves, honor-bar style, to coffee roasted yesterday or the day before.

New twist: we order online where I keep a CC on file, and they deliver to my doorstep. Chocolate-y Guatemala and cherry-winey Ethiopian are being delivered today!
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov
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by Robin Garr » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:34 am

Delivery is a big thing in these troubled times. We just got four bags of groceries from Kroger this morning - ordered and paid online, delivered and placed inside the garage with no person-to-person contact (although the delivery woman was pleasant to text with). Yesterday, a 1 1/2-liter bottle of Old Forester bourbon and a fifth of their rye, delivered to our doorstep. Good times amid hard times!
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by Jenise » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:21 pm

Love that, Robin!

Speaking of hand to hand contact, what do you think about buying take-out food? A few local restaurants are offering take-out, but I'm concerned about anyone handling my food or the packaging. Everything seems to be risky these days.
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by Robin Garr » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:25 pm

It's a thing to worry about, Jenise, that's for sure! It does seem that the virus doesn't spread via oral transmission and the digestive system, though. A guy on the LouisvilleHotBytes forum just posted this copy-and-paste from Serious Eats, which I hadn't seen yet. It's pretty reassuring.

https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/foo ... covid-food

According to multiple health and safety organizations worldwide, including the CDC, the USDA, and the European Food safety Authority, there is currently no evidence that COVID-19 has spread through food or food packaging. Previous coronavirus epidemics likewise showed no evidence of having been spread through food or packaging.

Are we sure food isn’t a vector of COVID-19 transmission?

No, we don't know for sure. However, there is strong evidence to suggest that food is not a vector. The epidemiology of food-borne pathogens is well studied, with government data going back to 1938. The spread pattern of COVID-19 does not fit models of foodborne outbreaks, which are defined as two or more people getting sick from the same contaminated food or drink.

For instance, Singapore has tracked its COVID-19 patients and submitted them to extensive interviews by teams from the Ministry of Health to try to determine patterns of spread. It's been found that most cases are linked to clusters of people, including hotel guests attending conferences, church groups, and shoppers, while none are linked to contaminated food or drink.

The fact that every person eats multiple times a day and thus far no link has been found between eating and viral clusters is strong evidence that no such link exists.

I’m still not convinced. How could food not be a vector?

Let’s say a food worker coughs while preparing my food, how could I not pick up the virus from eating it? This confused me as well, which is why I specifically inquired about it. According to Chapman, the risk is minimal. Even if a worker sneezes directly into a bowl of raw salad greens before packing it in a take-out container for you to take home, as gross as it is, it's unlikely to get you sick.

This 2018 overview of both experimental and observational study of respiratory viruses from the scientific journal Current Opion in Virology (COVIRO) explains that respiratory viruses reproduce along the respiratory tract—a different pathway than the digestive tract food follows when you swallow it. And while you might say that you just inhaled that salad, more likely you ate it with a fork and swallowed it.
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by Jenise » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:53 pm

Right, re the food itself. But the packaging....
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by Larry Greenly » Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:40 pm

Got a box from ebay today from several states away. Sprayed it with some Lysol before I opened it just as a precaution.

What really surprised me yesterday was an older friend of mine who reached a level of concern that made him want to buy a pistol. He's ex-Army from Vietnam, and he's usually anti-gun and didn't want one in his house. But he feels if enough people are thrown out of work, they might get desperate.

I was surprised, but said I'd find one for him. I stopped at a pawn shop; the owner said guns were flying off the shelf and he couldn't stock them fast enough. So I called a gun-nut friend of mine that had one for sale, and they've just consummated the deal. Such is panic.

Many shelves are still empty here due to hoarding. I probably surprised a checkout gal today when she rang up a total of one bag of pork rinds for me.
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by Jenise » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:28 pm

Heard that about guns, too. That's a level of panic I'm not sure I'm capable of, but you can be darned certain I'd stab any villain thru the heart who tried to hurt someone I love. We live in a guard-gated community. Not my thing, didn't want it, just wanted a beach house with an island view and the guard gate came with the package. Have to admit I can now imagine the dystopian day I'll actually be glad to have it--everything else is so weird, why not that.
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