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Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Hoke » Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:02 pm

Under the category of things you don't often think about, but perhaps should:

It seems that the rage these days with pro chefs is powdered vinegars. Their usage is more common than I had thought (not that I had thought much on them). An article in the current Restaurant News (a trade mag, so you won't see it on bookstands) relates that dusting with powdered vinegar has become quite the trendy thing.

Powdered vinegar is actually drying out vinegar and putting on maltodextrin to create crystals. You can then put in on or in different things. It's used as both a preservative and a flavoring ingredient.

Apparently it is commonly used to "flavor up" things like salads and such---mix a little powdered vinegar and some other things in with a little vegetable oil and spray it on a salad. Tasty, efficient, and cheap.

But it is also used on ice cream, and in pastries, powdered on pain d'epices, mixed in yogurt, made into ices, as a marinade, or on fish and chips, dusted on potatoes, used as sauce basing for fish, on fish tartare or poke, or in dry rubs for chicken and steak.

Further, you can have any variety of powdered fruit vinegars (apple, pear, etc.), balsamic, malt vinegar....and even one made from 10-year-old Banyuls!!!

Who knew? (well, out front anyway, apparently lots of people in the back of the house knew)
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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Howie Hart » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:19 pm

Somewhat related is the fact the "Salt 'N Vinegar" flavored potato chips contain no vinegar. The ingredients list malic acid. :roll:
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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Paul Winalski » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:33 am

Hmm.

The thing that makes vinegar taste like vinegar is acetic acid, which is highly volatile. I suppose if you were to dry out real vinegar at room temperature, you'd get a crystalline residue that trapped enough residual acetic acid to be vinegary.

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Who cares?

Sorry, but I don't see the point. If you want a dash of vinegar flavor, then sprinke on a dash of vinegar and be done with it. The evaporation, concentration, and crystallization process can only end up losing some of the more volatile and delicate flavor elements of the original vinegar.

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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Jenise » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:40 pm

Interesting. Didn't know about this. But I actually was thinking about this just a week or so ago when I bought a cup of cream of mushroom soup to go at a local restaurant. Sipping away alone on the long drive home, I was trying to put my finger on the source of the soup's unexpected sour flavor. It was vinegary, but it was more like the fake vinegar taste of flavored potato chips. which reminded me a bit of the fake sour taste of various potato chip flavoring. I couldn't fathom why the cook decided that this was a cool thing to add to mushroom soup--now I know. Because it's trendy.
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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Stuart Yaniger » Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:11 pm

Paul, very often the salts of acetic acid, which are not volatile, are combined with a nonvolatile acid (like malic) to give the combination of acetic flavor and the proper acidity in the powder.
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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Paul Winalski » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:51 am

Stuart Yaniger wrote:Paul, very often the salts of acetic acid, which are not volatile, are combined with a nonvolatile acid (like malic) to give the combination of acetic flavor and the proper acidity in the powder.


Sure, but why bother, when one can just add real vinegar and be done with it?

I still don't see the point.

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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Stuart Yaniger » Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:31 am

It depends on the product. Powdered can give that flavor/tang without sogging things.
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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Hoke » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:14 pm

Convenience, efficiency, compact storage, pre-prep. Hard to pour vinegar over a pastry. Difficult to make a solid or semi-solid from a liquid. Hard to do a dry rub with a wet vinegar.
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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Barb Freda » Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:58 pm

I don't have the book here, but in Heat, he talked about powdered something being like gold...jog my memory, guys, what was it he had to sneak in with...

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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Stuart Yaniger » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:21 pm

Cocaine.
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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Barb Freda » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:01 pm

Welll....I'm not saying it WASN"T there, but I just Know I would have remembered if he was talking cocaine...not a big italian export, either, IIRC.

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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Hoke » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:54 pm

Stuart Yaniger wrote:Cocaine.


I think that was Bourdain's book, wasn't it?
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Re: Could I have a little powdered vinegar on that?

by Stuart Yaniger » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:59 pm

I dunno, I've tried to block that awful thing out of my mind. The book, that is.

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