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Truly Mexican

by Jenise » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:20 pm

A few years ago, I realized that my deep love for Mexican food was underserved by my rather shallow understanding of it. That is, I grew up eating Mexican food in Los Angeles, and that food was a certain style tailored to the pallid tastes of the non-Mexican Los Angeleno, even ones who sought out good Mexican restaurants as my family did. For instance, cilantro didn't enter my world until I discovered it in the salsa of the first upscale Mexican chain restaurant to blanket the area, one called El Torito. Pico de Gallo was also an El Torito discovery. And Carnitas.

El Torito eventually brought blue corn and the fresher flavors of the Southwest in an iteration called El Torito Grill. And briefly, they toyed with a very high end concept in Costa Mesa called Copa D'Oro. The food was incredible and so was the bar scene--it was the best pick-up joint in Orange County. I would know, I was single at the time. But other than those experiences and some at Santa Fe's higher end Southwestern style Mexican, all of which had temporary influences on my cooking at home, for the most part I have remained in the culinary equivalent of a suburban cul-de-sac because Mexican remains, for me, comfort food. And I have been cooking the Mexican food of my childhood, without recipes, all my life. But it's east Los Angeles Mexican based on standard, inexpensive ingredients. But not necessarily true Mexican.

While staying with a friend not long ago I picked up her copy of a book called Truly Mexican by one Roberto Santibañez who apparently has three New York restaurants called Fonda. I opened the book to a recipe and picture of meat braised in a bright red adobo. I hate to admit that until I picked up this book I didn't understand this definition of adobo--a sauce made from dried chiles, water, vinegar and garlic. Maybe other things too, but taking Roberto's recipes literally, this at it's most basic is an adobo. The word adobo to me has always been a Filipino dish or the word on canned chipotles, which I don't use. The only things
these have in common are the Spanish language and a vinegar component.

I ordered the book. (While I was at it I also ordered a couple Rick Bayless books, but I have yet to get into those.) This book is changing how I think about Mexican food because it's not just recipes to create this taco or that enchilada, but it's more fundamentally about the sauces and salsas (I realize that 'salsa' is Spanish for sauce, but I'm differentiating based on practical culinary use) that make Mexican food tick. Things you can braise in--definitely not the Mexican food I grew up with. And besides the recipes there are a lot of words, the stuff that explains not just what, but why. It's an excellent read. There's also an eye-opening chapter on guacamoles, which reflects some of the creative things Roberto's restaurants do with avocado (how about avocado topped with crumbled blue cheese and chopped smoked almonds?)

Anyway, yesterday, while nursing a hangover and desperate to feel useful, as well as come up with a meal plan for tonight, I got out Roberto's book and stared toasting dried chiles. Fortunately, I got cocky and didn't double check the vinegar for the first batch. I actually thought it said 1/2 a cup and thought that sounded like way too much, so I prudently added only about a quarter of a cup. Well, turns out he only called for 1 1/2 teaspoons. So I then made a second larger batch to blend with the first which is still more vinegary than he intended, but I like it, and I now had 1 1/2 quarts of adobo.

While pondering what to do with all this, I rummaged the fridge for thoughts about what I had on hand that might be useful in tonight's meal and discovered a baggie of fresh tomatillos. I bought them so long ago I can't recall now what I intended to do with them, but it sent me back to Roberto's book and a recipe I'd seen for a sauce featuring both tomatillos and red chiles. So I blackened the tomatillos and roasted them until soft, then put them in the blender with a pint of the adobo, six additional garlic cloves, and two big chipotles (not the canned stuff, the big brown dried/smoked ones you can buy in a Mexican market), and whizzed that into the most intoxicating salsa I may have ever tasted.

I'm hardly someone tied to convention, but without this book it would never, ever have occurred to me to put green tomatillos and red chiles together in the same sauce. I'm changing tonight's dinner plan just to be able to feature it.

Anyway, I'm just in love with this book. High recommended!
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Re: Truly Mexican

by Jason Hagen » Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:08 pm

Sounds great. Thanks for the recommend.

Have you watched the Rick Bayless show, Mexico: One Plate At A Time? On PBS.

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by Jenise » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:25 pm

Jason, I've seen it in parts. If he's still doing new episodes, I'm unaware of that, but it's been a great show. I love his cooking, his passion, and that soft comforting voice.

Btw, just now posted a new TN that includes a 2000 St. Innocent Brickhouse. It's still not ready yet.
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Re: Truly Mexican

by Jason Hagen » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:33 pm

Jenise wrote:Jason, I've seen it in parts. If he's still doing new episodes, I'm unaware of that, but it's been a great show. I love his cooking, his passion, and that soft comforting voice.

Btw, just now posted a new TN that includes a 2000 St. Innocent Brickhouse. It's still not ready yet.


I see that there is a season 9. I think it is new or at least not very old. He has a torta place in O'Hare that I always hit and when I am in the city I try to hit one of his places. Very good. He has some restaurants here in SoCal called Red O. He took over some Red Onion restaurants. Not the original Red Onion which is in Palos Verdes but the franchise that got bought out by El Torito. I haven't been.

I'll check your note.

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Re: Truly Mexican

by Jenise » Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:09 am

Red Onion--didn't realize there were still any of those around! Did my share of work lunches at one on MacArthur across from John Wayne when I worked nearby (Fluor, in Irvine) until El Torito, whose food I preferred, opened up. So Rick's got sort of a chain operation going? I recall knowing that he opened a space on Melrose but thought it was a one-off. I'll have to look for his series--the high number of season 9 sounds promising.
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Re: Truly Mexican

by Peter May » Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:54 am

Never had Mexican food, if you discount the ones in Austin TX which probably were TexMex and which my abiding memory was it was dull, and if not covered in cheese was covered in ice cold sour cream - or both

There are some Mexican restaurants in central London, no idea how authentic they are, lots of cheese*, but don't see anything I fancy enough to make a special trip up town, and pay London prices to eat with my hands.

Mexican City Food - Twice voted best Mexican restaurant in London
http://my.propcom.co.uk/data/media/pdf/ ... 281%29.pdf

Modern Mexican
http://www.cantinalaredo.co.uk/pdf/2015 ... y-menu.pdf?

Mexican Market Eating
http://www.wahaca.co.uk/assets/Wahaca_menu_Oct2015.pdf

*I assume cheese is as authentic in Mexican cooking as tomatoes are in Italian, and potatoes in European :)
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Re: Truly Mexican

by Jason Hagen » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:08 am

When I lived outside London in the 90s I tried a few Mexican restaurants but they were not good. I didn't really expect them to be fully authentic so my expectation was altered but the flavors were just off. My wife and I used to say the best Mexican food in England was at our flat. :D Tongue firmly in cheek. But had to import some of the ingredients and then make friends with a local grocer to find chilis that seemed to line up.

I would imagine things have progressed a lot and if I were to move back, I would certainly check out the restaurants you listed. The language gets a little mixed up and there seems to be some alterations on some items but for the most part, I am intrigued.

I don't know the complete history, but I would say cheese (Mexican style cheese) is very authentic. What you saw in Austin was probably just gross. Things have improved but in general, Mexican food (and TexMex) in Texas is very low in quality. IMO

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Re: Truly Mexican

by Jason Hagen » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:12 am

Jenise wrote:Red Onion--didn't realize there were still any of those around! Did my share of work lunches at one on McArthur across from John Wayne when I worked nearby (Fluor, in Irvine) until El Torito, whose food I preferred, opened up. So Rick's got sort of a chain operation going? I recall knowing that he opened a space on Melrose but thought it was a one-off. I'll have to look for his series--the high number of season 9 sounds promising.


In the end they may have mostly changed to El Toritos. I thought they all sucked except for the one under original ownership http://www.originalredonion.com/# Not life changing, but as a kid, that is all I would eat. Still visit a few times a year.

Rick has 4 of these restaurants now. I honestly don't know how involved he is but still plan to make it to one at some stage. Maybe hit Dietz up for a no corkage Monday :mrgreen:

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Re: Truly Mexican

by Jenise » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:01 pm

Jason Hagen wrote:I don't know the complete history, but I would say cheese (Mexican style cheese) is very authentic.


Right, a Cotija style. Burying the entire plate under mild cheddar is an American affectation. Immigrant Mexican has always been quick to adapt to local tastes. In Walla Walla, asparagus tamales are the local rage. And there are Mexican restaurants in a Dutch town near me (seriously, about 75% of the town's population have last names beginning in 'van' or 'vander', Lynden, that serve cole slaw (which is Dutch, 'kool sla') on their combination plates. Talk about gross. :)

I would bet that London Mexican would seriously disappoint a Los Angeleno. In one of Peter's links I looked at, I was amused to see 'shredded chicken in tomato sauce' as a taco/burrito filling. That's just WRONG.
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Re: Truly Mexican

by Peter May » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:37 pm

Jason Hagen wrote:

I don't know the complete history, but I would say cheese (Mexican style cheese) is very authentic.


Didn't cows come over with the Spanish?
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Re: Truly Mexican

by Jeff Grossman » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:53 pm

Peter May wrote:
Jason Hagen wrote:
I don't know the complete history, but I would say cheese (Mexican style cheese) is very authentic.

Didn't cows come over with the Spanish?

Not sure, but I know they jumped over the moon.
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Re: Truly Mexican

by Jason Hagen » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:56 pm

Peter May wrote:
Jason Hagen wrote:

I don't know the complete history, but I would say cheese (Mexican style cheese) is very authentic.


Didn't cows come over with the Spanish?


Sure. I just don't know the history of whether or not other animals we being "milked". Also, I am taking the position that even if it is only a few hundred year old tradition, it is still "authentic".

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by Jeff Grossman » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:07 pm

Jason Hagen wrote:
Peter May wrote:
Jason Hagen wrote:
I don't know the complete history, but I would say cheese (Mexican style cheese) is very authentic.

Didn't cows come over with the Spanish?

Sure. I just don't know the history of whether or not other animals we being "milked". Also, I am taking the position that even if it is only a few hundred year old tradition, it is still "authentic".

Goats and sheep are the other usual suspects, neither of which is native to the New World.
A quick internet search on the topic shows that nobody believes that native peoples ate cheese before the arrival of the Spaniards. For example, https://mexicanfood1.wordpress.com/
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Re: Truly Mexican

by Jason Hagen » Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:24 pm

Jeff Grossman wrote:Goats and sheep are the other usual suspects, neither of which is native to the New World.
A quick internet search on the topic shows that nobody believes that native peoples ate cheese before the arrival of the Spaniards. For example, https://mexicanfood1.wordpress.com/


Cool. Thanks for the link.

As far as "authentic", I guess there could be debate on what that is. Like authentic American food. When I think of "authentic" Mexican food, I don't think about what the Aztecs were eating before the Spanish arrived. But that case could be made. Or tomatoes in Italy. They found them and made them part of their cuisine. I don't want to be chatting with someone who is telling me about the recipes from their great great great grandma, who was preparing meals in Oaxaca, only to respond, "but yeah, that's not authentic." :D

BTW Mexican food, post the Spanish introduction, is one of the greatest cuisines in the world. Not open for debate.

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Re: Truly Mexican

by Peter May » Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:32 am

Meaning of authentic was my point.

My post did say

I assume cheese is as authentic in Mexican cooking as tomatoes are in Italian, and potatoes in European :)
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Re: Truly Mexican

by Jenise » Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:24 pm

Last night's dinner: Lobster adobo (the sauce is from this book) with an oregano-pine nut rice. This book is really inspiring me to up my game on Mexican flavors--and it's proof to Peter that most restaurant Mexican is only a narrow band of what's actually possible.

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Re: Truly Mexican

by Frank Deis » Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:00 pm

The Aztecs and other native populations of Mexico would have been seriously lactose intolerant as adults, and I doubt that they would have experimented with cheese. In fact even Spain is mostly lactose intolerant -- it is a northern European thing centered near the Netherlands and Scandinavia to be able to drink milk and eat cheese with no side effects life long. Cotija is a dry crumbly cheese, if you can't find it you could use parmigiano, grated. Even Kraft Parmesan is not terribly far from Cotija. I love it in elote (or elote con vaso, the street version in a styrofoam cup). Corn kernels, mayo, lots of nice spicy stuff and topped with cotija.

I always enjoy Rick Bayless when I see his TV show, and he certainly never strays into that cheese smothered area discussed above. I haven't reread the entire thread but I have Diana Kennedy's book and it's so authentic that it can be downright daunting. I often can't find the kind of dried pepper or green herb that she calls for.

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