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Ten Dollar Dinners

by Jenise » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:25 pm

Just watched the last ten minutes of this Food Network show, which I've never seen before. She made two dishes. Here are the ingredients I remember seeing go into each--note I didn't see her assemble the ravioli, so they could include eggs, cheese, etc--I only saw her finish the dish. She claimed that the cost of each dish was "about five dollars". I'll give them my own names for what I saw go into them; she claimed both were inspired by Scott Conant's restaurant Scarpetta.

Filet of Sole braised with tomatoes and potatoes
Two large filets of true sole
Canned tomatoes
Diced fresh red potatoes, about a cup and a half
Fresh basil
Dried oregano
Store bought chicken broth from a 1 qt carton
Garlic
Butter

Chicken Ravioli with Marsala/Red Wine Reduction
wonton wrappers
chicken thighs (in place of duck)
chicken liver (to imitate the foie gras in Scott's version)
3/4 of a stick of butter
parmesan cheese (fresh, not green can)
Marsala wine
Red wine
brown sugar
green onions ("they taste just like chives!")


The news about $5 came right at the end while she was tasting these (and she might have said it up front too, I don't know). It's just that for the portion of the show I saw I was going "no way!" to $10 for what I saw being used. I don't think you can get to $5 by aportioning the cost of what you use vs. the cost of a whole container or package, nor is that reasonable/fair to my mind for the perishable items that you can't put back in the pantry for another time, like the wonton wrappers.
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Re: Ten Dollar Dinners

by Dale Williams » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:21 pm

$5 a portion? Sole alone would have to be at least half that (more where I shop). I call BS!
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Re: Ten Dollar Dinners

by Jenise » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:32 pm

Dale Williams wrote:$5 a portion? Sole alone would have to be at least half that (more where I shop). I call BS!
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I think you understood, but didn't say it quite right. That was $5 per platter, and it didn't even occur to me when I typed it up but perhaps both of these together were supposed to be the whole ten dollar dinner--I had taken it as an either/or, not both. Especially since neither was nutritionally complete--no vegetables, no green leafy fiber--from my point of view!

But either way, ridiculous.
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Re: Ten Dollar Dinners

by Dale Williams » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:24 am

So I just looked up the show. The premise is dinner for 4 for $10. Below are the recipes for the sole and chicken.

Sole- I usually pay $10.99/lb for lemon sole, $13.99/lb. for grey sole. Can anyone here regularly source sole for less than $8/lb?
Can of tomatoes- maybe $1 if on sale
Lemon- $0.25 at Korean greengrocer (higher in supermarket)
Potato size isn't specified, but even with 4 oz potatoes (about smallest one could dice) $0.75 if $1/lb
there's your $10, IF you can find a better price for sole than I've seen in last several years
That's assuming you don't count pantry staples like dried herbs/spices, or oil. But you still have to open stock, buy basil, etc

All my pricing assumptions are generous to the show. I'd say $20 was more accurate cost of this meal.

You might could do the second meal for $10 if you just apportioned the cost of the items actually used , got thighs on sale, bought $3 wine and $5 Stock Marsala, said chicken was a free giblet from another recipe, etc.


Ingredients
Two 8-ounce fillets sole
Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper
2 tablespoons olive oil
1 teaspoon dried oregano
1/4 teaspoon red pepper flakes
1 clove garlic, sliced
3 red potatoes, diced and parboiled
One 14-ounce can whole tomatoes, chopped, juices reserved
Juice of 1 lemon
3/4 cup chicken stock
2 tablespoons chopped fresh basil, plus extra for garnish
Directions
Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F.

Pat the sole dry with paper towels and sprinkle with salt and pepper. In a large ovenproof saute pan, brown the sole in 1 tablespoon olive oil on one side, then remove from the pan and set aside. Add the oregano, red pepper flakes and garlic to the pan and saute 1 minute. Next, add the potatoes and chopped tomatoes (with their juices) and cook 1 to 2 minutes. Pour half of the lemon juice into the pan, add the chicken stock and season with salt and pepper. Bring to a simmer, and then add the fish back to the pan and baste with the sauce. Finish cooking in the oven, 5 to 7 minutes.

Remove the fish from the pan and place on a platter. Return the pan to the stove and add the remaining 1 tablespoons olive oil along with the chopped basil and remaining lemon juice. Let the sauce reduce over medium heat, 2 minutes. Serve the fish with the sauce and garnish with chopped basil.

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Chicken Ravioli:
1 strip bacon, cut into small pieces
1/2 yellow onion, chopped
2 tablespoons butter
2 tablespoons red wine
1 chicken liver, roughly chopped
Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper
1 1/2 cups cooked and shredded chicken thighs
3 tablespoons grated Parmesan, plus more for serving
3 tablespoons chicken stock
2 teaspoons marsala wine
32 wonton skins
Marsala Reduction:
1/2 cup marsala wine
1/2 cup red wine
2 tablespoons brown sugar
1/2 stick butter
1 green onion, sliced in half lengthwise and chopped finely, for garnish
Directions
For the chicken ravioli: In a medium saute pan, cook the bacon until firm but not crisp, about 5 minutes. Add the onions and 1 tablespoon butter, and cook over medium heat until the onions are tender. Add the red wine and chicken liver and cook over medium-low heat until cooked through, 4 to 5 minutes. Season with salt and pepper, and set aside.

In a blender or food processor, mix the liver mixture with the shredded chicken, remaining 1 tablespoons butter, Parmesan, chicken stock and marsala until creamy. Season with salt and pepper.

Place 1 teaspoon of the filling into each wonton skin, and seal by brushing a little water along the wonton edges and folding diagonally (into a triangle) and gently pinching the wonton skin closed. Work quickly and keep the wontons covered with a damp paper towel to keep from drying out. Place in the freezer until ready to cook so the raviolis will firm up.

For the marsala reduction: Heat the marsala, red wine and brown sugar over medium-high heat and let the sauce reduce until it becomes syrupy.

Bring a large pot of salted water to a gentle boil. Use a large slotted spoon to place the ravioli into the water and cook 4 to 5 minutes. Work in batches.

In a small saute pan, melt the butter and whisk in 3 tablespoons starchy pasta water to blend together. Place the ravioli on the plate and cover with 2 tablespoons of the melted butter sauce, a drizzle of the marsala reduction and sprinkle of Parmesan and green onion.
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Re: Ten Dollar Dinners

by Jenise » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:45 am

Dale Williams wrote:So I just looked up the show. The premise is dinner for 4 for $10. Below are the recipes for the sole and chicken.

Sole- I usually pay $10.99/lb for lemon sole, $13.99/lb. for grey sole. Can anyone here regularly source sole for less than $8/lb?
Can of tomatoes- maybe $1 if on sale
Lemon- $0.25 at Korean greengrocer (higher in supermarket)
Potato size isn't specified, but even with 4 oz potatoes (about smallest one could dice) $0.75 if $1/lb
there's your $10, IF you can find a better price for sole than I've seen in last several years
That's assuming you don't count pantry staples like dried herbs/spices, or oil. But you still have to open stock, buy basil, etc

All my pricing assumptions are generous to the show. I'd say $20 was more accurate cost of this meal.

You might could do the second meal for $10 if you just apportioned the cost of the items actually used , got thighs on sale, bought $3 wine and $5 Stock Marsala, said chicken was a free giblet from another recipe, etc.


Ah, interesting, thanks for looking that up. Eyeballing it, her sole filets were more like 10 ounces each. The moment those went into the pan to brown was the moment I turned the show on, and they occupied nearly every inch of a 12 inch skillet. Of course, bigger looks better on TV, so they would consider that justified. Speaking of which the basil she actually used, which was more like half a cup, would add about $2 cost.

For the chicken ravioli, a cup and a half cooked/shredded would require four thighs. Here, that would cost $5 if you didn't buy organic. The wonton skins would add $3. Green onions? 99 cents. The butter? It says half a cup and in fact she spoke those words, but what she put in the pan, judged both by what she cut away and what was left on the butter dish, was 3/4. (Better for the camera I'm sure, as it made the 'butter sauce' after the dilution by pasta water look richer.) So that's another dollar with butter at $5/lb. So right there we're already at $10 and there is still cheese, wines, and a few other things to buy.

Pretty smarmy.
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Re: Ten Dollar Dinners

by Mark Lipton » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:46 pm

Dale Williams wrote:Ingredients
Two 8-ounce fillets sole
Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper
2 tablespoons olive oil
1 teaspoon dried oregano
1/4 teaspoon red pepper flakes
1 clove garlic, sliced
3 red potatoes, diced and parboiled
One 14-ounce can whole tomatoes, chopped, juices reserved
Juice of 1 lemon
3/4 cup chicken stock
2 tablespoons chopped fresh basil, plus extra for garnish
Directions
Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F.


Cost notwithstanding (and for the record I think that you're being VERY generous in your price analysis), how many people feel that this recipe would actually provide a satisfying meal for 4? At 4 oz of fish per person, I'd view more as a small dish rather than a main dish. I'd probably cook this amount of fish for just Jean and myself.

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Re: Ten Dollar Dinners

by Jenise » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:32 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:
Dale Williams wrote:Ingredients
Two 8-ounce fillets sole
Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper
2 tablespoons olive oil
1 teaspoon dried oregano
1/4 teaspoon red pepper flakes
1 clove garlic, sliced
3 red potatoes, diced and parboiled
One 14-ounce can whole tomatoes, chopped, juices reserved
Juice of 1 lemon
3/4 cup chicken stock
2 tablespoons chopped fresh basil, plus extra for garnish
Directions
Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F.


Cost notwithstanding (and for the record I think that you're being VERY generous in your price analysis), how many people feel that this recipe would actually provide a satisfying meal for 4? At 4 oz of fish per person, I'd view more as a small dish rather than a main dish. I'd probably cook this amount of fish for just Jean and myself.

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I usually buy about 12 ounces for just Bob and me, and that usually includes skin so 5-6 ounces of filet is probably about right for a serving, and four's skimpy but okay. However, we'd need more side dishes where on this show's menu, there really weren't any. It's not the "dinner" of the title. Says a lot about how dumb they think their audience is.
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Midwestern Stereotpyes!

by Rahsaan » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:23 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:how many people feel that this recipe would actually provide a satisfying meal for 4? At 4 oz of fish per person, I'd view more as a small dish rather than a main dish. I'd probably cook this amount of fish for just Jean and myself.

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Are you succumbing to the sterotypes of huge midwestern plates? If I understand correctly, 4oz is 1/4lb? That is exactly my standard of fish serving per person, although it's not a big deal if the pieces are slightly bigger and for dinner parties I buy more in case people want seconds, etc.

But 1/2lb per person would be way too much for us. And we like to eat!
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Re: Midwestern Stereotpyes!

by Mark Lipton » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:28 pm

Rahsaan wrote:
Mark Lipton wrote:how many people feel that this recipe would actually provide a satisfying meal for 4? At 4 oz of fish per person, I'd view more as a small dish rather than a main dish. I'd probably cook this amount of fish for just Jean and myself.

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Are you succumbing to the sterotypes of huge midwestern plates? If I understand correctly, 4oz is 1/4lb? That is exactly my standard of fish serving per person, although it's not a big deal if the pieces are slightly bigger and for dinner parties I buy more in case people want seconds, etc.

But 1/2lb per person would be way too much for us. And we like to eat!


To each their own, Rahsaan. Yes, I'd say that we typically consume about 1/3-1/2 lb of fish per person (most of it going my way, I hasten to add -- Jean could easily get by with 4 oz). You know what a huge guy I am and how much I eat. :D I do loves my fish, though.

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Re: Ten Dollar Dinners

by Jeff Grossman » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:55 pm

Protein good. More protein better. ::caveman smiley::
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Re: Midwestern Stereotpyes!

by Rahsaan » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:59 pm

For what it's worth, I carry that same weight rule over to most cheese-based meals (except for pizza) and use 1/4lb of cheese per person.

There is obviously more fat in that and it is more filling. But I love it! (And often take more cheese than my wife)
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Re: Ten Dollar Dinners

by Jenise » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:02 am

I agree that four ounces on the plate is a good portion, but with fish you generally need to buy slightly more to allow for trimmings and shrinkage.
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Re: Midwestern Stereotpyes!

by Mark Lipton » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:47 pm

Rahsaan wrote:For what it's worth, I carry that same weight rule over to most cheese-based meals (except for pizza) and use 1/4lb of cheese per person.

There is obviously more fat in that and it is more filling. But I love it! (And often take more cheese than my wife)


Now 1/4 lb of cheese does sound like a huge amount, but then I'm no longer a pescavegetarian, so your protein needs are different from my own. And at my stage of life, we do have to keep an eye on the saturated fat intake for reasons beyond simple weight gain.

Let's seek a happy medium and order sole meuniere the next time we dine together :)

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Re: Ten Dollar Dinners

by Dale Williams » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:10 pm

We typically ask for 3/4 lb of sole or flounder (though fishmongers never weigh under, so 12-14 oz) if just two of us. Which probably translates to 4-6 ounces for Betsy, 7-8 for me.
But I'm with Jenise that we'd need a lot more sides to consider this "dinner". We basically usually do a protein, a starch, and 2 vegetables.
And yes Mark I was being very forgiving with cost calculations

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