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Kale Chips

by Frank Deis » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:04 pm

OK, sounds boring, right? I made some very plain kale chips a while back and liked them OK but not enough to make again.

But then I tasted Brad's Fresh Kale chips, specifically the "nasty hot" variety. Wow. I would eat those things every day. But a little square 2.5 ounce box costs $7.50.

Clearly this is something worth exploring. My current ambition is to figure out if I can somehow make a "dressing" that involves Lan Chi chili garlic sauce and spread it on the kale chips before baking.

Here is a video. Heather is on an edge between annoying and sweet, in a way she reminds me of my students...

http://www.ifood.tv/recipe/baked-kale-chips

Tell me what I should try here? If you can't see why I am interested in doing this, buy some of Brad's Kale Chips and I think you will understand. They are at Whole Foods across the country.
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Re: Kale Chips

by David M. Bueker » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:20 pm

When I make kale chips I bake then add the stuff. I don't think the chips will crisp up if they are pre-dressed.
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Re: Kale Chips

by Robin Garr » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:36 pm

We make kale chips pretty simply. (Sorry I haven't had time to view the video yet, so if this is repetitive, I will name my stupidity and own it. :mrgreen: ) Anyway, we tear washed and dried kale into bite-size pieces, toss it with a little olive oil and kosher salt or sea salt until every piece is well coated. Spread them on a cookie sheet and bake at high temp, 450F, until they're crisp. Eat. Best way in the world to make kale into snack food.

I wouldn't hesitate to add a shot of Sriracha or sambal oelek. Offhand, adding anything else seems like overkill to me. But ask me again when I finish a bunch of chores and have time for the video, and I may take that back.
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Re: Kale Chips

by Frank Deis » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:37 pm

Robin and David -- 1) again, see if you can find the commercial version. Very crunchy and the flavorings obviously dessicated with the kale. Because they want to brag about the chips being "raw" they don't put them in the oven, but everything gets crunchy all together. And 2) I've found several videos and recipes online that have one make up a sort of pasty "paint" and treat the chips beforehand. I have tried the simple olive oil and salt prep and liked it but was not interested enough in the flavor to keep making it. Those "Nasty Hot" chips burn the mouth in a way that is just addictive and I want to be able to eat batches of them without forking over $7.50 every other day.
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Re: Kale Chips

by Jo Ann Henderson » Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:02 pm

We had this discussion a few months back. I posted a link to a yummy kale chip recipe that I have made often. Even my son, who eats few to no vegetables, could not get enough of them. The spicy BBQ recipe is the bomb and has just that right kick of hot to be satisfying. And, yes, they do get crispy when pre-dressed and dehydrated. I suggest you give them a try.
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Re: Kale Chips

by Frank Deis » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:35 am

Thanks Jo Ann, that is VERY much along the lines of what I am thinking.

But part of me wants to reproduce Brad's Nasty Hot Raw Kale Chips. And part of me really wants to dose the kale with Lan-Chi sauce.

I think I will definitely use that BBQ chip recipe as a model, but I don't think I will follow it exactly.

I am curious how home dehydrators work. We've used dessicators and vacuum pumps in the lab.

I have a feeling the oven should work just fine, especially since I have Silpat sheets (and parchment).

Some of the worst results I have seen described -- the kale picked up a metallic taste from the pans.

http://www.bradsrawchips.com/
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Re: Kale Chips

by Jo Ann Henderson » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:42 am

my dehydrator is plastic, so there is no metal contact. It works perfectly. The dressing has just enough oil to keep the kale from sticking to the container and when done it is not oily. Dehydration keeps it bone dry so the chip is delicate and crunchy. Good luck.
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Re: Kale Chips

by Jenise » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:22 pm

My dehydrator's plastic, too. No metal flavor. And how they work, Frank, is warm air circulation. Technologically speaking, they're just a multi-rack system in which the racks create the chamber into which something with less power than a Motel 6 hair dryer gently blows warm air.
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Re: Kale Chips

by Frank Deis » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:35 pm

By the way -- on the Brad's Raw Chips site he has clips from the Today show (or whichever morning show has Kathy Lee Gifford on it). Hoda goes on and on about how "if you have regularity problems, eat a bowl of these chips with hummus dip and you won't BELIEVE the difference it will make!" whereupon Kathy Lee rolls her eyes and shakes her had and makes various pointed comments. FWIW this is irrelevant to me -- but remember those chips EXPAND when hydrated so Hoda is making a very valid point...

Thanks for the hydrator explanation, Jenise. That's pretty different from what we do in the lab, and the "weak hair dryer" part is probably why Brad admits to heating the chips to "109 degrees" which doesn't cook them.
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Re: Kale Chips

by Jenise » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:39 pm

Frank Deis wrote: That's pretty different from what we do in the lab, and the "weak hair dryer" part is probably why Brad admits to heating the chips to "109 degrees" which doesn't cook them.


Yeah, I started to object to him saying they're not cooked. I would say yes they're not cooked in the conventional sense, but raw? No. Warm air cooks--slowly.
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Re: Kale Chips

by Frank Deis » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:52 am

In conversation with our tenants we learned that they had bought a dehydrator ("from Amazon, for $30"). So I asked to borrow it and bought a nice bunch of curly kale and acted on my kale chip fantasy.

If the health food store had been open I would have bought some of their nice organic hulled pumpkin seeds -- but they had closed so I bought some hulled sunflower seeds, toasted and salted, from the supermarket. If I had used the pumpkin seeds I would have needed to add salt to the "dressing."

Anyway. In my spice grinder (like a small blender) I ground 2 tablespoons of the sunflower seeds to a powder.

I added 1.5 Tablespoons of Lan Chi chili garlic sauce. Red and gooey, and hot enough that I was scared to lick my fingers.

Three tablespoons extra virgin olive oil

About a tablespoon of flavored rice vinegar (like you use in sushi making)

Maybe half a tablespoon of low sodium soy sauce.

I considered several other options but chose not to include, say, grated parmigiano, or ginger, because a central reason for doing this was that I wanted to be able to sit around munching on something that tastes like Lan Chi sauce, and not have too much distraction from that.

I stemmed the kale and tore it into nice pieces about 3 inches across. Then put it into 2 big salad bowls and poured the dressing over, trying to get half of the dressing onto each. Then tossed like a salad, had to do this for a while to get the dressing fairly evenly smeared onto all the leaves.

Arranged the dressed leaves onto the plastic trays of the dehydrator, popped the top on and set it for 125 degrees.

After three hours the leaves were reasonably crispy -- I had thought to let the thing run over night, and maybe I would have had crunchier chips if I had, but 1) it makes a noise and 2) it uses energy so I unloaded my chips and shut it down. Put all the chips in a plastic box that is airtight. This morning I thought of 3 people who should taste the chips, so for each one I stuffed a plastic sandwich bag with an ounch of chips, and my entire bunch of kale is nearly gone!! I am getting a better feel for why 2.5 ounces of commercial kale chips costs $7!

The chips are still reasonably crispy, maybe crun-chewy. I know that I could stick them onto a cookie sheet and put some crunch into them but I think they are fine the way they are. It is all that FLAVOR that makes you want another one. I think I got the amounts just about right, because you do get a palpable burn from eating these things and that's just what I wanted.

I did take a few pictures and maybe later...
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Re: Kale Chips

by Jo Ann Henderson » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:41 am

A couple of things, Frank.
You can usually find dehydrators at the Salvation Army, Goodwill, etc at a very reasonable price. I had all my friends on the scout for one when I decided to buy one and the prize went to Eileen, who found one for $0.99! I used it to make my kale chips a few times now. (It makes no noise at all.) I did what you did the first time. The chips came off the dehydrator nice and crispy. But, I discovered that, as they sat and when I placed them in a plastic baggie to take a few to work, the residual moisture caused them to have just the texture you so aptly described -- crunchewy! The next time I made them I started them about 8:00pm, and rotated the racks a couple times after a couple hours each time, then let them dry over night. The next morning they were perfectly crunchy, like a potato chip and stayed that way throughout the next couple days they survived. Give it another try, you will be rewarded.
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Re: Kale Chips

by Frank Deis » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:28 pm

Thanks again Jo Ann. After reading your message I took my remaining chips (I had given away one baggy, looks kind of illegal!) and dumped them onto a cookie sheet. Set the oven for 180 and put the chips in. After about 10 minutes I turned off the oven and left the stuff in for another 20. Much drier now. I think probably having any moisture left kind of "diseases" the chips. OK if you eat them all in an hour, not OK if someone wants to keep them for a week.

I have to go buy a few more jars of Lan Chi, this is gonna make me go through it much faster!!!
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Re: Kale Chips

by Jenise » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:38 pm

Sounds utterly fantastic, Frank. Btw, if you really want to blow your diet? Throw a bunch of salami slices into your dehydrator and let 'em go until they're a crunchy, greasy little meat cracker. That'll do it!
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Re: Kale Chips

by Frank Deis » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:34 pm

I saw this before I went shopping Jenise and actually bought some thin sliced salami and threw it into the machine -- I was hoping that I would get crunchy crackers in 2 hours, so that I could take them to the Film Discussion group tonight. But they aren't ready, still pretty bend-y. I will leave 'em running for a while longer and maybe use them for the superbowl party instead.

How long does it take when you do this? Are they bend-y when warm but hard when cool?? Some of the liquid is the fat which won't evap out...
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by Jenise » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:15 pm

Frank Deis wrote:I saw this before I went shopping Jenise and actually bought some thin sliced salami and threw it into the machine -- I was hoping that I would get crunchy crackers in 2 hours, so that I could take them to the Film Discussion group tonight. But they aren't ready, still pretty bend-y. I will leave 'em running for a while longer and maybe use them for the superbowl party instead.

How long does it take when you do this? Are they bend-y when warm but hard when cool?? Some of the liquid is the fat which won't evap out...


It will depend on the fat content, dryness (age of cure) and the thickness (or, more pointedly, thinness) of the slices. I buy a Rosette de Lyon for this purpose and they're typically ready in about four hours.
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Re: Kale Chips

by Frank Deis » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:31 pm

After the party made about six hours, and they are great now.

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by Jeff Grossman » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:41 am

Jenise wrote:Sounds utterly fantastic, Frank. Btw, if you really want to blow your diet? Throw a bunch of salami slices into your dehydrator and let 'em go until they're a crunchy, greasy little meat cracker. That'll do it!

Wrap pepperoni slices in 6 or 8 layers of paper towels. Nuke for 1 minute, full power. Unwrap, being careful with all the hot grease that came out of them and is now soaking the paper towels. Chips!
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by Mike Filigenzi » Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:08 am

Jeff Grossman/NYC wrote:
Jenise wrote:Sounds utterly fantastic, Frank. Btw, if you really want to blow your diet? Throw a bunch of salami slices into your dehydrator and let 'em go until they're a crunchy, greasy little meat cracker. That'll do it!

Wrap pepperoni slices in 6 or 8 layers of paper towels. Nuke for 1 minute, full power. Unwrap, being careful with all the hot grease that came out of them and is now soaking the paper towels. Chips!



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Re: Kale Chips

by Frank Deis » Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:09 pm

My second batch of kale chips was a little less hot, and I used a mix of raw hulled pumpkin seeds along with the salted sunflower seeds.

I took the entire batch to the superbowl party and the chips were very popular -- I had to go get an extra jar of Lan Chi sauce to give one of the wives who was completely taken with the idea of making them herself.

Off topic here, but the chili also worked out well. But now I can do what I didn't have time to do yesterday and buy some more ancho chilis so that I can make a batch of proper chili powder. Anchos should yield a sweet and fruity chili, a beautiful dark red in color. There was some good flavor in the Ancho chili powder I made but scorching it turned it too dark and robbed it of some of the fruity flavor.

The host made the best gumbo I ever tasted -- it had oysters in it!! Nice and hot, lots of tender chicken and great flavor.
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Re: Kale Chips

by Frank Deis » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:20 am

OK sharing a somewhat negative result. I decided to 1) make it simpler and 2) make it a little more "Weight Watcher" friendly so I decided to try spraying a bit of olive oil on the torn kale leaves, and sprinkling them with salt and chili powder, and spraying again with some lime juice. Then I did the chips on cookie sheets in the oven. The flavor was kind of OK. But the texture of the chips was unsatisfying. Even though they are crisp and crunchy, they are somehow not fun to chew, like crispy cellophane. I think it's really essential to grind up some seeds or nuts and make a thicker dressing. And use more olive oil. The previous 2 batches, where I did that with the Lan Chi sauce and used the dehydrator, closely matched the texture of the commercial chips, which is really what I wanted to do. These chips would not have been a hit at the Superbowl party.

Probably oven versus dehydrator is not part of the problem, though. IMO.

Now my problem is munching my way thru a bag of kale chips that I don't like very much so I can make some more. I guess I could discretely throw them out but they are not THAT bad...

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