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Let's talk about soup dumplings

by Jenise » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:42 am

While away last week, we learned that we were invited to a soup party (each guest brings a soup) the day after we got home. I immediately decided I'd rather do something new rather than fall back on an repertoire staple, so away from my kitchen, a computer and my books, I mentally searched among experiences old and new for inspiration. A craving for chicken pot pie led to some white meat thinking and reminded me of being 16 or 17, when I found a recipe god knows where for a chicken and tarragon soup with baby dumplings. I was the family cook then, and had never had a dumpling of any kind nor had I ever tasted tarragon, so the soup sounded like a great learning experience and I made a batch. And I loved it. But only for about 30 minutes, when the fact that I had contracted a flu bug became disastrously apparent. I couldn't stand the smell of tarragon for years after. It would be a fun project of the Unfinished Business sort to create my own new version of that dish, so I pitched that to Bob along with a white bean/kale/sausage alternative. And somehow that led to us talking about the baseball-sized herb-flecked knodel we'd just had at an Austrian restaurant, charcroute, sauerkraut and Lidia Bastianich's canerdli, which I posted a recipe for here but haven't made myself, and deciding that the soup we were hungriest for would involve ham hocks and some kind of small herb dumplings.

I just wasn't sure how to go about the dumplings: the recipe for that first long-ago batch is long gone, and I haven't made anything like it since. The baking powder and all purpose flour type of dough one would add to chicken-and-dumplings wouldn't have enough structure to roll around in broth. And whatever I made would need to be able to hold for a few hours in broth without getting bloated. So what I ended up doing was making a dough out of a loaf of stale white sourdough bread that had been in the fridge for two weeks, milk, flour, eggs and herbs. It took several test dumplings to get a dough that wouldn't float apart in boiling water--I got there, one small handful of panko at a time--and I removed the finished dumplings when they eventually rose to the surface to a nonstick skillet on low heat with a bit of butter and oil in it to 'seal' them up. This, I figured, would prevent the dumplings from overcooking once added to the ham hock broth I was cooking separately. Sound thinking, and they tasted good, but now I had a new problem: the dumplings in the skillet were a lot denser than what had come out of the boiling water. My floaters had become sinkers.

Oh well: no time for a redo, I had to go with it. So, deflated, I put the dumplings in the Dutch oven I planned to reheat and serve my soup in, and just before we left the house I ladled a pleasing amount of broth over and added the shredded meat from the ham hocks, cooked green beans, a few wads of sauerkraut and a big handful of fresh parsley, chives, rosemary and thyme. An hour later when I went to heat up my soup for service, I could hardly believe what I saw when I removed the lid: the dumplings had almost doubled in size. What had been approximately quarter-sized pellets of raw dough and barely 50 cent sized once boiled had swelled into golf balls. But they weren't falling apart, and they didn't 'shed' when stirred. I put one in my mouth: it was wonderful, light and tender! The only problem I had now was that the broth-to-dumpling ratio was too low, but borrowing a can of chicken broth from my hostess fixed that. My soup was a success after all.

But what a lot of drama. Does anyone here have a good dumpling dough that can go straight into a soup and not overcook if left sitting in broth? Matzoh might, though I've always made them large as I understand is Jewish tradition, and never made them small like I needed them to be for this soup.
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Re: Let's talk about soup dumplings

by Christina Georgina » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:04 pm

All's well that ends well ! Nice story. THat is exactly the reason that, no matter what starch I am having with soup, I cook it separately in a clear broth that is the same as the soup base and add it at the last minute of reheating.
Just this weekend I added farro to a ham,bean,kale soup. If cooked in the soup it would have been a paste with little soupiness. Rice, pastina, semolina dumplings all get blimpy if done ahead. For certain uses this is may be desired but I like brothy soups
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Re: Let's talk about soup dumplings

by Jeff Grossman » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:16 am

Oh! I thought you were going to talk about how to fill dumplings with soup. This is a popular nibble at the Szechuan places in NYC (and probably other places).

As I understand it, the broth is frozen to a jelly-like state, spooned into the dough, which is then pinched tight, cooked fast in a dim-sum bamboo steamer, and served right away. But I don't think it's a standard wonton wrapper.
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Re: Let's talk about soup dumplings

by Jenise » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:53 am

Christina Georgina wrote: If cooked in the soup it would have been a paste with little soupiness. Rice, pastina, semolina dumplings all get blimpy if done ahead. For certain uses this is may be desired but I like brothy soups


I too like brothy soups. But you remind me that as a child, I loved every stage of reheating my mom's chicken noodle soup, the last of which would be nearly a paste. Mom always cooked the noodles in the hot broth. Conversely, my father's next wife did the opposite: cooked the noodles in water, then drained them, and only combined them with broth in the serving bowls. Betty had more control over noodle doneness, but Mom's had more flavor. (Mom, I might note, used the sturdy Ronzoni brand where Betty used the cheaper/thinner Golden Grain products.) I now operate somewhere in the middle: I separate my broth, cook the noodles in one, then drain and lay them out on a cookie sheet to cool, then add them to a cool batch of broth so they don't overcook.

Another relevant memory from the past comes to me: an old Italian method of dumpling where a whole loaf of soft white bread is worked into melted butter, a wad at a time, until one ends up with dumplings. For service, the dumplings are then brought up to medium temperature in their serving broth--a veal broth for the ultimate in luxury is highly reccomended--any hotter, and they'd dissolve or at least leak an oil slick to the top. But if you do it right they don't, and oh my god what texture and flavor. Only did that once, but it bears doing again.
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Re: Let's talk about soup dumplings

by Jenise » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:55 am

Jeff Grossman/NYC wrote:Oh! I thought you were going to talk about how to fill dumplings with soup. This is a popular nibble at the Szechuan places in NYC (and probably other places).

As I understand it, the broth is frozen to a jelly-like state, spooned into the dough, which is then pinched tight, cooked fast in a dim-sum bamboo steamer, and served right away. But I don't think it's a standard wonton wrapper.


Yeah, I worried about that misunderstanding when I chose my topic title, but I couldn't think of any other way to say that would fit. I love those Chinese style soup dumplings, and agree that it's a seemingly different dough. Not sure what, though.
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Re: Let's talk about soup dumplings

by Jeff Grossman » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:43 pm

The wikipedia entry suggests that a "semi-leavened" dough is used, though they do not say what that is.

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