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Things I learned on the East Coast last week

by Jenise » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:06 am

1) Cortland apples are divine. It's my new favorite apple, I couldn't get enough of them. And they don't exist here on the west coast. Must find out why not, though the answer is likely that our summers at least this far north aren't warm enough. Don't know what Oregon's excuse is. Macouns are good, too, but less winey and more similar to apples we have out here where there is nothing here even remotely close to a Cortland.

2) There is such a thing as a white concord grape. When Welch's makes that juice, they're not just removing the skins from the black ones as I thought. And they're good.

3) The best food for Finger Lakes wines is Austrian. If you go to that part of the world, do not miss a meal at Dano's Heuriger on Seneca Lake.

4) East Coasters don't get "chips and salsa". As a side dish for a hamburger? Weird.

5) The best olive oil in New York state is not French or Italian, it's Californian, being sold for $20 per 750 ml bottle by the people at Cascade Mountain Winery at the Saturday farmer's market in Troy. They have a relative in Temecula who sent barrels of his just-crushed 2011 oil to them which they bottled the day before I tasted and bought a bottle. I've never had any California olive oil even HALF, or possibly a quarter, this good; in fact it's on par with the $40/500 ml type oils I've bought in the past from the Rare Wine Company in California. It's astonishingly good. If you're an east coaster and you love great olive oil, this is worth searching high and low for, I promise. It's the best deal you'll ever get on a world-class olive oil, unless of course you too have an uncle with an olive grove.

6) Rob Keith, remember him anyone? Back in the pre-Facebook/Twitter days, Rob was one of the Australian regulars on this board. He was a very devoted wine guy but probably spoke up more here on FLDG than on WLDG. He lived in Melbourne, where Bob and I met him in the fall of 2000. Well, he and his wife Jenny have moved (permanently) to Marblehead, Massachusetts, and we met up with them on Friday night. They're doing quite well.

7) Ice Cream isn't as weird a thing to eat at 9:00 a.m. as I would have believed. Especially if it's Lake Night Snack flavor at the Ben and Jerry's factory.

My apologies to anyone who we didn't get a chance to meet up with on this trip. Where we had planned this as a four-couple trip to Vermont early this year where Bob and I would go on to spend three days meeting up with online friends in New York City, the plans fell apart and Bob and I had changed our minds about going at all. And then at the last minute, one of the other couples and we decided to go after all, but not having pre-booked accomodations and fall foliage tourism being the popular event it is, we had to take pot luck on flights (they flew into Albany, where our only choice was Boston), and the trip ended up being less about what we most wanted than what we could find at the last minute. Up until about 8 hours before we stepped onto that plane, in fact, the only booking we had was two nights in Lake Placid and we'd scrapped the Finger Lakes because the area was booked solid.
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Re: Things I learned on the East Coast last week

by Karen/NoCA » Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:16 pm

Jenise, are you talking about olive oil from the Temecula Olive Oil Company? I've bought from them. Which type OO did you purchase?
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by Jenise » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:28 pm

Karen/NoCA wrote:Jenise, are you talking about olive oil from the Temecula Olive Oil Company? I've bought from them. Which type OO did you purchase?


No, it was bottled on the east coast by the winery I mentioned, and all I know of it was what I described here. Beyond that, I know nothing. Never even saw Temecula olive oil when I was in California.
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by Howie Hart » Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:54 am

I bought a small bag of Cortland apples today at my favorite local cider mill. mmmm!
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Re: Things I learned on the East Coast last week

by David M. Bueker » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:28 am

Cortland apples are my personal favorite. Macoun apples are vastly overrated.

I would eat (nacho) chips and salsa as a side dish with anything. :mrgreen:
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Re: Things I learned on the East Coast last week

by Carl Eppig » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:40 am

For those who can find them the Early Cortland is IMHO even better. Quite a different grape 'er apple. The Early is pear shaped and stripped while the plain ole is round and solid red. The Early is best cooking apple we've ever used. Had a purveyor in Maine, but haven't found one down here. Trees are available from such catalogers as Millers, but don't know if I'll live long enough to get results.

Sorry we missed you on your trip Jenise.
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Re: Things I learned on the East Coast last week

by Jenise » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:31 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Cortland apples are my personal favorite. Macoun apples are vastly overrated.


I was surprised that, at least at the one farmers market we went to, there were no other varieties not already common to us on the west coast. Also that, at the one market we stopped at in Vermont the day before we left hoping to buy a bag of Cortlands to bring home, that there weren't any--just the 'usual suspects'.

I would eat (nacho) chips and salsa as a side dish with anything. :mrgreen:


But in a restaurant--tortilla chips out of a bag? Sorry, no. Also, we noticed this (to us West Coasters who live closer to Mexico than you do) wrong terminology: the term tortilla chips is not interchangeable with 'nachos'. They're just chips, with or without salsa. Chips only become the dish called nachos when they're buried under melted cheese (or, if you're in a ballpark, cheese sauce) and other toppings. :)
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by David M. Bueker » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:59 pm

If you're trying to standardize/correct food terminology, may I refer you to the case of grider, sub, hoagie, etc. Try getting folks in the deep south to stop referring to any old soda as a Coke.
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Re: Things I learned on the East Coast last week

by Carl Eppig » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:55 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Try getting folks in the deep south to stop referring to any old soda as a Coke.


Are you referring to tonic?
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by Jeff Grossman » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:06 am

What'd you say, Pop?
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by Jenise » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:59 am

Carl Eppig wrote:Sorry we missed you on your trip Jenise.


We definitely had the "plain ole" Cortland. And I can't imagine it being better in another version, what we had were so good.

Yes, sorry to have missed you too. But we originally planned a ten day trip and what we had essentially was essentially a six day trip. We unfortunately had time to only drive through New Hampshire to get from Vermont to Boston--an unplanned two hour stop for a hay truck fire on I-93 notwithstanding.
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by Carrie L. » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:45 pm

Jenise, where did you end up eating in Boston? (If you had time to eat in Boston!)
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by Jenise » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:32 pm

At Rob and Jenny's house. At like 11:00 at night because the string of accidents we ran into (worst run ever) delayed our planned 4:00 arrival past 8:00 or so. And they stayed at the office waiting for us instead of going home to cook. It was delightful fun, but we arrived in the dark and left in the dark (5 a.m. get-up) and we may be the only people who ever spent a whole night in Marblehead without actually seeing it. :)
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by Andrew Bair » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:52 pm

Jenise wrote:1) Cortland apples are divine. It's my new favorite apple, I couldn't get enough of them. And they don't exist here on the west coast. Must find out why not, though the answer is likely that our summers at least this far north aren't warm enough. Don't know what Oregon's excuse is. Macouns are good, too, but less winey and more similar to apples we have out here where there is nothing here even remotely close to a Cortland.

2) There is such a thing as a white concord grape. When Welch's makes that juice, they're not just removing the skins from the black ones as I thought. And they're good.


Jenise - thank you for the writeup. I always thought that the Welch's white grape juice was made with Niagara grapes? - interesting, to say the least.

As far as apples, I am at the point of making special trips to farmers' markets to buy Roxbury Russets. They are my current favorite to eat. Cortlands are still great for baking.
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Re: Things I learned on the East Coast last week

by Carl Eppig » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:39 pm

Just back from a weekend trip to Bangor and Mid-Coast Maine. Among other goodies, picked up a beautiful half peck of Cortlands for $5.
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by Jenise » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:04 pm

Carl Eppig wrote:Just back from a weekend trip to Bangor and Mid-Coast Maine. Among other goodies, picked up a beautiful half peck of Cortlands for $5.


I'm so jealous. I've been eating Braeburns since I got home, but with every bite I long for a Cortland! Enjoy your largesse.
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by Dale Williams » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:51 pm

Reviving this thread because of the beautiful Cortlands at my market today. Apple season is truly here. I picked up Cortlands, Margils, Cox's Orange Pippins, plus a few singles of ones I wanted to try - Keepsake, Idared, etc. I'd guess in our small market there were at least 20 varieties available.
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Re: Things I learned on the East Coast last week

by Jenise » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:42 pm

Oh lucky you! Cox's orange pippin is an apple I'm so curious about, probably just because I love the name. Would have loved to try a fresh one. That is, I bought two last fall from a group of east coast apples that a specialty store here got in from the east coast, but I understand Cox's don't travel well and what we had certainly were the worse for the wear.
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