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Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Jenise » Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:16 pm

Recently a small group of about six WWII veterans, the only survivors of an event known as Black Thursday, were in Dallas and decided to have lunch at Wolfgang Puck's restaurant Five Sixty. The old geezers were dressed casually in what was described as "mostly shorts and service-related t-shirts", and were refused a table. Of course, word got out and a brouhaha of sorts ensued over the idea that these "war heroes", a term that probably carries more weight in Texas than anywhere else on this planet, could have been refused a table anytime, anywhere. (The restaurant apologetically sent them several bottles of scotch afterward.) Reading about it got me to thinking about the whole idea of dress codes.

I don't think the restaurant was in the wrong here. They have the right to have and enforce a policy without exception, and out of consideration to all the other diners who cooperate they should.

But that doesn't make me a fan of dress codes. I'm not aware of any restaurants in my area that have them. And in swankier locales, we dress appropriately for a restaurant's reputation for formality so any rules that might happen to exist are transparent to us, and we tend to prefer restaurants that are less than that formal anyway.

I've only been part of one refusal: a new "supper club" had opened in a strip mall in Bakersfield, California, and I took a State official there for a business dinner. Men, we were told at the door, were required to wear jackets. Which, in Bakersfield, was fairly preposterous. Heck, I would bet that 90% of the jackets in Bakersfield belonged to Buck Owens, and maybe sequins weren't what they had in mind! We either had to leave or Terry, a most-average guy probably 5' 10" and 175 lbs, had to borrow some skeezy loaner they probably plucked off a dead guy who looked like Rodney Dangerfield. I preferred to go somewhere else than put him through the indignity of wearing someone else's clothes, but he gallantly insisted we stay. It soon closed.

Now I'm not a fan of the word 'should' so I'm not going to go so far as to say that the people who owned that club should not have had such aspirations. On the contrary, have at it. Go ahead and insist that a hotter-than-hell, dustbowl of a landlocked farming community play dress-up to eat in your joint, and see where it gets you.

In other areas, dress codes work out fine. At Galatoire's in New Orleans on Sundays, for instance, they not only require jackets for men, they even go so far as to specify what type of shirt is to be worn under it. (I'm always amused that women, apparently, can apparently show up naked but for heels and a purse as there does not seem to be a code for us. Has anyone tried this?) And why not? This is the bible belt, and Sunday's are special.

Dallas is another place a dress code should work if one is going to, relaxed POW disguises not withstanding. Dallas is a lot different than Bakersfield. In Dallas, they still have big hair. In Dallas, TV Preachers spend Sunday with their families and Monday with the church 'secretary'. In Dallas, titty bars are called Gentleman's Clubs. It's a world unto itself. Dress codes there should work out just dandy and keep the eyesores from ruining anyone's evening.

So I'm not arguing with the policy. But I will say this: many years ago while living in The OC, the huzz and I dared past the Orange Curtain to have dinner in Pasadena. I recall looking around me with absolute wonder: to one side of us sat Thurston Howell III--that is, a set of grandparents and their small grandson, where grandpa and sonny were both dressed in blue yachting blazers, white caps and white linen pants. On the other, a diva of a Chinese gay man held court wearing a low mohawk hair cut and fabulous layers of bright silk robes over a smooth bare chest laden with gold chains. A pair of girls wore shorts--in California, on all but the coldest days and sometimes even then, someone ALWAYS wears shorts. Bob and I were probably the plainest people in the room, but the cool thing was how normal it was there to be so diverse. In Irvine where we lived, all you had to have was a different skin color to stand out.

Which is why after spending five years in Alaska, we didn't move back to Irvine. But I digress....

So put me down as a dress code hater. I may not knowingly go to restaurants that have them--the rules beyond the health code ones barring bare feet for example--but I tend to avoid restaurants that do because I dislike both pomp and the very notion that it's a good idea to force your customers to conform to anything beyond civil behavior and the fabulousness of choosing your establishment, let alone what anymore is a conservative, outdated 50's ideal of properly dressed.
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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Hoke » Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:29 pm

Don't care for dress codes, but don't get too upset over them either.

Think it's probably best for restaurants to---at most---indicate or suggest the style of dress their clients will probably be wearing---but that mostly to make new guests feel comfortable.

Also to protect husbands from wives who insist on asking 'how will everybody be dressed'---and yes, Jenise, women do still ask that question.

Most people who go to restaurants prefer to fit in to the majority of people. There are always some who don't. But those who don't, and like not fitting in, will find some way to show off. So to heck with it, I say.

Most restaurants will 'organically' select out their clientele pretty much, I've found.

And in this day and age, where there's little homogeneity, I'm fine with all the diversity going on all around. I don't need to have men dressed in coats and ties. And even in the best places, I've been know to shuck the coat pretty quickly anyway, once I get to table. Can't for the life of me understand why someone would agree to pay money to feel uncomfortable when at a meal----and I overheat pretty easily, so don't like wearing a coat at table. It feels---unnatural, actually.

Meals should be eaten in shirtsleeves anyway, sez I!
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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Dale Williams » Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:01 pm

I'm a very casual dresser, but if I'm going to an upscale restaurant I check. If jackets required, I'll wear it (I actually don't remember last time I saw tie required in NYC) and not think twice about it. I generally wear shorts and tshirt to work in summer (jeans/sweatshirt in winter) but if I'm going to dinner in any place that's above bistro level I'll wear slacks/chinos and a buttoned shirt.

Personally I'm ok with restaurants deciding their dress code, their corkage policy, what kind of music they play, menu, and what credit cards they take. If any of those things detract from my enjoyment, I'll go elsewhere. And by the way, I have all the respect in the world for veterans in general and those of the "greatest generation" in particular, but being a hero doesn't somehow put you above the everyday rules.
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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Daniel Rogov » Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:05 pm

I am fully in favor of strict dress codes but only on the condition that one has to be vetted by a protocol officer before being admitted as happens when dining with most European and Asian royalty.

As to restaurants, I am much in favor of the opinions of Hoke and Dale...that is to say, when in Rome do more or less as the Romans do. Should a restaurant have a specific dress code and that is the style of dress that appeals to me at the moment, no problem. If they have a dress code that does not appeal, I select another restaurant.

Wondering how many of us are old enough to recall the days when a great many restaurants had a tie and jacket requirement for men and had no idea of what to do when a man showed up in a jacket and turtleneck.

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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Carl Eppig » Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:12 pm

The only dress codes around here are: No shirts, no shoes, no service!
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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Hoke » Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:15 pm

Carl Eppig wrote:The only dress codes around here are: No shirts, no shoes, no service!


Some of the restaurants that post those signs? I've been in them, with shirts, and shoes. And still got no service. Or damn little, anyway. :D
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by Karen/NoCA » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:13 pm

I think people need to use good judgment and common sense. If you are on your boat, and decide to go to the nice restaurant for boaters at the dock...shorts and flip-flops might be OK. We always dress business attire when we go out to eat. In summer, when it is blasted hot, I wear sandals, light weight slacks or crop pants and a nice shirt.
When we travel we take into consideration the type of restaurant we are eating in, and if in doubt, I will call ahead and ask. Simple. There are really no dress codes around here, except the "no shoes, no shirt, no service" signs we see occasionally. What really bothers me are men who come into restaurants with no shirt, children in just diapers, and women with skimpy tank tops and shorts that are almost not there! Ick.
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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Lou Kessler » Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:50 pm

I think The French Laundry recommends wearing a jacket, although I've been there when people are dressed in a sweater, shirt, and slacks. None of the restaurants in SF require a tie that I'm aware of at this time. Los Angeles and surrounding area is even more informal.
Jenise, we always thought of Orange CO. as a culinary wasteland with very few exceptions. In the South Bay area of LA the wasteland was the Palos Verdes peninsula even though the immediate beach areas contained some good restaurants. The best restaurants are still to be found in west LA and it's environs. I don't mind reasonable dress codes.
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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Paul Winalski » Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:48 pm

I respect the right of a restaurant to dictate whatever dress code they wish.

I have my right to vote with my feet on whether I want to conform to the dress code of their wishes.

I will observe that, in my experience, the dress code for some of the French Michelin three-star restaurants I've visited have been less strict than the dress code at some most very distinctly inferior US restaurants I've visited.

My only problem is where the ground rules regarding dress code aren't made explicit in advance of the patron showing up at the restaurant. The problems occur when the prospective patron isn't aware of the attire rules of the prospective eating establishment.

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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Matilda L » Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:54 pm

On the whole, I view dress code as part of the theatre and carnival of eating out. To be embraced with enjoyment. When they want me to dress up, I dress up.
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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Carrie L. » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:36 am

We don't encounter them much. It seems most recently it was on a golf trip to Greenbrier and Len found it absolutely absurd that he needed to pack a sport coat in the middle of summer with 95% humidity to dine in what the restaurant considered its best restaurant. Turned out their more casual restaurant was the "gem" and the higher end one way overrated...as was their brunch, but I digress.

I definitely like to "dress" for dinner when going to a place that warrants it, and find that for the most part, others seem to agree--at least judging by what they are wearing. What I have found is that there really is no middle ground anymore. There is "chi chi boo boo" fancy, where people really tend to dress up and look nice, and there is everything else. From McDonalds upward I find that people wear whatever they happen to be wearing that day to the restaurant. And that's just it. I think eating out, whereever, whatever kind of place it was, used to be more of a thought out decision. Now, it's more of an "I'm hungry, let's go grab a bite." And it doesn't matter if people have just come off the golf course, or the beach, or the kids' soccer game, they eat whereever they feel like eating, and I actually think this is a GOOD thing. We are like that too, I guess. I remember Len and my second date in Atlanta. We played golf with some friends of his (another couple) and afterward everyone was hungry and wanted to eat. Well, the only shoes I had were my golf shoes (soft spikes thank goodness), and the decision was made to go to Bones, a high-end chop house. I was a bit horrified (Len, god love him, for the life of himself couldn't figure out what the big deal was), but I touched up my make up, tied a sweater around my neck and off we went. No one even glanced our way. (Of course it helped that it was dark inside.)
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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by David M. Bueker » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:58 am

Hoke wrote:
Carl Eppig wrote:The only dress codes around here are: No shirts, no shoes, no service!


Some of the restaurants that post those signs? I've been in them, with shirts, and shoes. And still got no service. Or damn little, anyway. :D


That's because you weren't wearing pants.
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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Jenise » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:31 pm

Matilda L wrote:On the whole, I view dress code as part of the theatre and carnival of eating out. To be embraced with enjoyment. When they want me to dress up, I dress up.


But if everybody is wearing a navy blue blazer, IS there a carnival? Don't misunderstand, I love dressing well, I'm all in favor of THAT. I just dislike it when what exactly that is is legislated by a third party such that a guy in a sky blue polyester jacket meets the requirements but the man in the $500 tan cashmere pullover and gray Italian slacks doesn't. That's why, in my opinion, dress codes are outdated.

Btw, good to see your friendly face again.
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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Hoke » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:56 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:
Hoke wrote:
Carl Eppig wrote:The only dress codes around here are: No shirts, no shoes, no service!


Some of the restaurants that post those signs? I've been in them, with shirts, and shoes. And still got no service. Or damn little, anyway. :D


That's because you weren't wearing pants.


But...but...but... I was obeying the letter of THEIR law!!!
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by Jon Peterson » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:49 pm

I don't mind buying a $5 dinner in a suit and tie or seeing others do so, but I do not enjoy spending $200 per person for a wonderful meal and seeing the guy at the next table in a tee shirt and cap with old jeans on. I'm sorry - maybe it's just me. I loved the scene in The Sopranos where Tony goes up to a guy and tells him to take his hat off at dinner - it's just polite. So I guess I'm for dress codes in "better" places but they have to be enforced - if they aren't, then just don't have them.
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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Mark Lipton » Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:02 am

Having grown up in the very casual confines of the SF Bay Area, I was quite unaccustomed to dress codes of any sort in restaurants until a visit to a restaurant in Georgetown while visiting DC in '76. I was politely informed by the maitre d' that gentlemen were required to wear jackets and ties, neither of which I was sporting at the time (I of course swallowed the retort that no gentlemen was I), and then handed a suitable jacket and tie to remedy the situation. The whole scene was very discreet and inoffensive even to my anarchistic sensibilities. Since that time I've always checked beforehand as to the dress code of a restaurant and dressed accordingly. I appreciate having some guidelines about dress, even if not a formal code, as I feel more relaxed at a restaurant when I am inconspicuous... and part of that comes from dressing appropriately for my surroundings. I confess that I'd probably steer clear of any restaurant that called for white tie and tails (or black tie and ties), but that's about the extent of my concern.

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Re: Restaurant dress codes: love them or hate them?

by Carl Eppig » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:30 am

Yesterday I had a couple of invasive tests (both ends) and everything was fine. However I usually wear sweats to such affairs, and we stopped for dinner at a geriatic family restaurant in the upscale town of Wolfeboro. I was dressed better than anyone one else except my bride.

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