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RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Jenise » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:41 pm

Once upon a time, I was a Cost Engineer at the giant engineering and construction firm Fluor Corporation, and the project I was working on hit a lull lasting several days wherein the entire cost team, about six of us, had absolutely nothing to do. So we created a two-day project for ourselves: add up all the phone numbers in the Fluor phone directory (a cast of thousands), double check for accuracy, divide the sum by the total number of phone numbers to determine who in all of Fluor had the most average phone number, then call the guy to congratulate him and take him out for a long lunch. It was one of the most gloriously absurd things I've ever been part of.

So yesterday I got out of bed with a plan to make just one of your recipes, but I re-read the entire thread before starting and actually found something appealing about every single one so in the interest of showing, like a good mother, no favoritism, and having no bias of my own since I've never made baked beans before, in the end I made what you could call The FLDG Most Average Baked Bean.

Only, there was nothing at all average about the baked beans I made. Of all the food on the table last night for our 50 guests, good as everything else including the smoked tri tip and baby backs were, it was the baked beans that got all the buzz. About half a dozen people hunted me down to tell me the FLDG Most Average Beans were the best they've ever had. I, too, thought so, so thank you everyone.

Here's how I went about it.

The beans, three pounds of Great Northern since I could not find the tinier Navy I'd have preferred, were cooked on Saturday so that all I had to do was assemble for the long day of baking yesterday morning. I took them deliberately to within about half an hour of true tender because I didn't want my beans to have the soft texture of those awful canned pork n' beans--it worked out in the end but honestly, for about the first 7 hours of the total 8 hours they cooked I wasn't sure they were going to. I think I could/should actually cook them a little longer next time.

Then yesterday morning I started adding ingredients to a very large bowl, adding by the half cup fulls and checking after each addition for balance and spice. In went Howie's dark molasses for traditional flavor cut by Carl's maple syrup because I'm just not crazy about heavy molasses flavor. Then in went the mustard--your recipes varied from Carl's 1/2 tsp to Drew's 2 tsps, so I just started adding by the teaspoon full and in the end went further than any of you for a total of eight. I liked that bite. In also went Drew's barbecue sauce, the last half of a smallish bottle that had probably held 12 ounces of a sweet and spicy barbecue style "finishing sauce" that Cynthia and Stuart sent me, a slug of Jack Daniels, four fresh bay leaves, white wine vinegar, a few handfuls of brown sugar, ample fresh ground black pepper, and diced onion. When I was happy with the complexity and intensity of what I had, I added the beans and the diced salt pork, then enough chicken stock to be sure the beans didn't go dry. (I'd forgotten to save some of the cooking liquid before draining the beans, as per Carl's recipe, but forgot.) More for symbolism than effect, I added a chopped fresh tomato in honor of Celia, then divided the mixture between two cooking vessels and popped one of Karen's chipotles (dried) into each one.

At which point I realized that I could not get one of the two baking dishes I'd selected into the skinny oven (my Viking range has one big oven and one small, and I needed the big oven for other things). So I moved the contents into a crock pot and that's how half the beans got cooked. Interesting comparison: I preferred the crock pot's beans to the oven-baked. The oven baked beans darkened earlier and got drier than the crock pot beans. I had to add moisture back--I think I'd lower the temperature next time from 300 to 275.

In all, for three pounds of beans, here's what went in:

3 lbs great northern white beans
3/4 c dark molasses
3/4 c maple syrup
1 cup chipotle barbecue sauce
4 cups chicken stock
8 tsps dry mustard
4 bay leaves
1/3 c white wine vinegar
1 pound chopped salt pork
1 grapefruit sized vidalia onion, diced
1/2 cup Jack Daniels
1 chopped fresh tomato

Anyway, thanks everyone for your ideas and recipes--I used them all!
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Re: RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Carl Eppig » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:52 pm

Sounds great! And Interesting!
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by Howie Hart » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:59 am

Very interesting concept and they do sound good. Any leftovers? They're great for breakfast.
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by Celia » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:06 am

I've never had a tomato chopped in my honor before. I'm honored. :)

The beans sound great, and I love the story about the man with the average phone number!
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Re: RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Jenise » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:18 pm

Celia wrote:The beans sound great, and I love the story about the man with the average phone number!


I wish I had a tape of the phone call. I wrote the script and this guy on our team Jack, who had a wonderfully deep bass Roman orator of a voice, made the call. And the guy who won, none of us knew him, but bless his heart he got just exactly how absurd this was but nonetheless reacted like he'd just won the Publishers Clearing House Million Dollar Sweepstakes, whoopin' and a-hollerin' over what amounted to nothing more than a free lunch by a bunch of bored guys with calculators.

That day was only topped by the day we took Patrick Coyne, who was getting married, out to lunch and got him totally blotto, then handcuffed him, then further restrained him in his office chair with several loops of heavy gauge chain, and then rolled said chair the quarter mile across Fluor's huge campus to the private elevator of the 12 story Corporate Tower reserved for J.R. Fluor himself, put him in, pushed 12, and ran. (Pat was greeted by an armed Security force when he got up there.) Those were the days....
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Re: RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Jenise » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:40 pm

Howie Hart wrote:Very interesting concept and they do sound good. Any leftovers? They're great for breakfast.


About half a cup. Normally, I'd toss that little of something out, but I'll admit I saved these. Tomorrow!
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Re: RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Ian H » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:58 pm

Fascinating!!! As it happens I did a similar sort of thing between two recipes by two very fine cooks I know/knew. Sadly John Hartman has passed away, but his Indianapolis baked beans was one of the parents, and Dave Sacerdote's Boston Baked beans was the other. Because I'm a terrible pedant, I asked a local potter to throw me a proper bean pot, as Dave was adamant that this was an important element in allowing the beans to cook properly without drying out too much. I've done it a few times, and adore it - though it's a bit on the rich side for a mere European.

If you're interested the recipe I built is here http://pagesperso-orange.fr/souvigne/recipes/side230.htm

From reading what you did, there aren't too many differences, but then - I'd not expect there to be. Dave's use of ginger is interesting. His original recipe seemed to use more, but he'd made a typo and the first time I made the recipe, I nearly blew my head off with the gingeriness. It's good now.
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Re: RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Jenise » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:21 pm

Ian H wrote:Fascinating!!! As it happens I did a similar sort of thing between two recipes by two very fine cooks I know/knew. Sadly John Hartman has passed away, but his Indianapolis baked beans was one of the parents, and Dave Sacerdote's Boston Baked beans was the other. Because I'm a terrible pedant, I asked a local potter to throw me a proper bean pot, as Dave was adamant that this was an important element in allowing the beans to cook properly without drying out too much. I've done it a few times, and adore it - though it's a bit on the rich side for a mere European.

If you're interested the recipe I built is here http://pagesperso-orange.fr/souvigne/recipes/side230.htm

From reading what you did, there aren't too many differences, but then - I'd not expect there to be. Dave's use of ginger is interesting. His original recipe seemed to use more, but he's made a typo and the first time I made the recipe, I nearly blew my head off with the gingeriness.


Educate me: what did Dave consider a proper bean pot? I have this cartoonish image in my head of a large round-shaped pot about as wide as it is tall with a narrow top opening, but I haven't a clue where I got that idea from. Anyway, greater vertical density may be what made the crock pot beans work out better than the oven beans--the oven dish was deep for a baking dish (4" tall, though it wasn't of course filled brim-full), but nonetheless had a greater surface area.

I looked at your recipe, thanks for the link. And yes, our recipes are much more similar than different. I'm especially interested in the fact that your beans didn't start out thoroughly cooked, which I instinctively held off doing too.
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Re: RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Ian H » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:23 pm

Jenise wrote:Educate me: what did Dave consider a proper bean pot? I have this cartoonish image in my head of a large round-shaped pot about as wide as it is tall with a narrow top opening, but I haven't a clue where I got that idea from.
I hoped to be able to triumphantly cut and paste a picture from somewhere to show you, but the great majority of bean post pictures are of Le Creuset pots, which are similar but not identical. Your image is not bad. Three conical legs on the bottom of an almost spherical pot. Instead of flaring evenly out as the Le Creuset ones do, the top aperture is relatively small, about 3" tall and cylindrical. The pot is lidded. So the surface area from which evaporation can take place is strictly limited, and that, together with the earthenware, tends to reduce the need to replenish the water. Clever. Mine has only one single handle, but obviously that doesn't make a functional difference to the cooking - merely makes it harder
Jenise wrote:I'm especially interested in the fact that your beans didn't start out thoroughly cooked, which I instinctively held off doing too.
to take out of the oven!
Both of them were very specific about this. What Dave explained, but which I omitted to put in my version of the recipe, is that he par cooks the beans until the skin splits and peels back when you blow on a bean that you take out from the cooking water. The thing is, that the beans will receive a pretty long cooking when they are being baked, so even if some of the other ingredients tend to keep them from completely falling to a mush, they will get tender. As I learnt it, the recipe is meant to be made overnight, so that they are ready to eat in the morning. I guess that originally the pot was shaped (legs etc) to conveniently sit in or over a camp fire.
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Re: RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Carrie L. » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:54 pm

Totally cool concept! Now you need to do it with all of the chili recipes on here! :shock:
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by Jenise » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:14 pm

Carrie L. wrote:Totally cool concept! Now you need to do it with all of the chili recipes on here! :shock:


With our without beans? :)
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by Jenise » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:29 pm

Ian H wrote: Three conical legs on the bottom of an almost spherical pot. Instead of flaring evenly out as the Le Creuset ones do, the top aperture is relatively small, about 3" tall and cylindrical. The pot is lidded. So the surface area from which evaporation can take place is strictly limited, and that, together with the earthenware, tends to reduce the need to replenish the water.


Pretty much what I pictured, yet I know I've never seen such a thing. I might have gotten it from an illustration on the box of a candy I was very fond of as a child called "Boston Baked Beans"--peanuts in a thick reddish-brown candy coating. :)

The thing is, that the beans will receive a pretty long cooking when they are being baked, so even if some of the other ingredients tend to keep them from completely falling to a mush, they will get tender.


What I figured and that's why I deliberately undercooked my beans. They did get cooked but remained structured enough that I chanced upon two of our guests discussing their texture with one arguing that they had to have been started from a dried bean where the other person argued "oh come on, no one does THAT". Oh yes we do!
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Re: RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Ian H » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:10 pm

Jenise wrote:
Carrie L. wrote:Totally cool concept! Now you need to do it with all of the chili recipes on here! :shock:


With our without beans? :)


BAD Jenise. :lol: :lol:
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Re: RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Carrie L. » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:09 pm

Jenise wrote:
Carrie L. wrote:Totally cool concept! Now you need to do it with all of the chili recipes on here! :shock:


With our without beans? :)


The AVERAGE amount of beans. :)
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Re: RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Jenise » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:00 pm

Carrie L. wrote:
Jenise wrote:
Carrie L. wrote:Totally cool concept! Now you need to do it with all of the chili recipes on here! :shock:


With our without beans? :)


The AVERAGE amount of beans. :)


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Re: RCP, kind of: the FLDG Most Average Baked Beans

by Peter May » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:49 am

Had American baked beans last night

recipe similar to those posted here, slow cooking of beans with molasses and brown sugar, salt pork etc.

This one had bacon strips also and a large whole onion studded with cloves which was removed before serving. Cook added ketchup at end.

Lovely texture, quite dry but for my taste would have been better is less sweet.

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