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Need a paprikash recipe.

by Jeff Grossman » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:17 pm

I recently visited Hungary and I now have 50g of (presumably) lovely sweet paprika. Anyone know a good paprikash?

...later...

Well, firstly, I am unhappy with my manners. Please forgive the imperious tone. I sincerely mean to ask whether anyone has a good recipe to share?

Secondly, I've done some scouting around the internet, and, my goodness, there is a lot of diversity of opinion on what is a paprikash! With or without tomatoes, green peppers, red peppers, garlic, and so on. Sheesh. Of course, the most traditional-looking recipes are just chicken and onion....

So, I'm willing to broaden my scope: I've got some lovely paprika. What can I cook with it that will show it off? (i.e., doesn't have to be paprikash)

Thanks for any suggestions.
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Jenise » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:54 pm

Jeff, best I can tell (and I have both been to Hungary, for awhile had Hungarian best friends and have a Hungarian stepmother), paprikash is the meatloaf of that part of the world. None of them agreed on what makes paprikash Paprikash. The simple cooks are happy with, as you noted, no more than onion, and those who crave a bit more complexity move up the ladder with red or green peppers, jalapenos, garlic and the like. The excellent sweet paprikas of that country are also entirely wonderful dissolved in butter and used to coat boiled potatoes and, at breakfast, season scrambled eggs. When I do a paprikash, I bring everything I love about well-seasoned food to the dish and am likely to throw in garlic and fresh peppers as well as black pepper to create multiple levels of flavor. Now, all that said, I have no recipe. I just make food and turn it into a paprikash. Sorry. I seem to remember Christina posting a recipe not long ago that I fully intended to make--and if it wasn't her, someone did. Note that my kitchen trevails have prevented me from making good on any of these kinds of commitments, I'm not normally someone who says I will then doesn't.
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Frank Deis » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:01 pm

Around this time of year I get a hankering for paprika based dishes -- and while I don't have a Chicken Paprikash recipe right at hand, this one really shows off the paprika, especially if you mix in some hot paprika as well. It is a beef goulash. BTW this is quite soupy, which is what he is aiming for. If you want more of a "chili" texture just cut back on the broth added.

“Splendid Soups” by James Peterson. I like his very detailed recipes, it’s hard to go wrong when he describes every tiny detail, and the flavors are quite good. For the “bouquet garni” I just added whole herbs and spices – entire caraway seeds, stripped the leaves off fresh thyme and threw them directly into the soup, added parsley and bay leaf. Flap meat has a very delicious flavor in this soup I think, but the chuck is OK. I used “ratte” potatoes from the farm market, banana-shaped potatoes with a great texture. And I just used a 28 oz can of diced plum tomatoes with the juice. FD

Goulash Soup (RCP)

Gulyásleves

Hungary has a rich tradition of making soups and stews in enormous variety and according to strict edicts. George Lang, in his thorough book “The Cuisine of Hungary” says about goulash (gulyás when a stew, gulyásleves when a soup) that one must “Never use any flour. Never use any spice besides caraway (although is recipe also calls for paprika). Never Frenchify it with wine. Never Germanize it with brown sauce. Never put in any other garniture besides diced potatoes or galuska (little dumplings). But … you may use fresh tomatoes, tomato puree, garlic, sliced green peppers, hot cherry peppers.” I’m not fond of bell peppers in meat, soups, or stews, so I leave them out and use a high quality paprika to provide a more intriguing pepper flavor.

The goulash soup given here is made much like a beef stew except that more liquid is used. George Lang includes a beef heart in his recipe, but I use beef chuck, or if I can find them, beef cheeks, which develop a moist melting consistency. I serve this hearty soup as a main course.

Makes 8 main course servings

3 pounds beef chuck or beef cheeks, cut into 1 inch cubes (FD: flap meat)
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2 tablespoons pure olive oil or vegetable oil (for browning the meat)
2 tablespoons butter or olive oil (for cooking onions and garlic)
2 medium-size onions, peeled and chopped
3 garlic cloves, peeled and chopped
1 teaspoon caraway seeds, finely chopped or ground in coffee grinder
1 tablespoon hot Hungarian paprika
1 tablespoon mild Hungarian paprika
2 quarts basic beef broth (2 of those cardboard “bricks”)
4 tomatoes, peeled seeded and chopped or 1 28 oz can whole tomatoes drained
bouquet garni 4 thyme sprigs, 1 small bunch parsley, 1 bay leaf
1 1/2 pounds potatoes (he says waxy red or white)
1 recipe miniature dumplings (optional)
2 tomatoes, peeled, seeded, diced (optional garniture)
1 pint sour cream (optional garniture)

Season the meat liberally with salt and pepper and let sit for 3 hours so the salt can penetrate inside (FD NOTE commercial beef broth can be salty, be a little careful with this step unless you know you have low salt broth). Heat the oil in a heavy-bottomed pot (large enough to hold all the meat) over high heat. Pat the meat dry with paper towels (but don’t let the meat sit on the towels or they will stick and tear) and brown it, only several pieces at a time (if you add too much to the pan at once it won’t brown) on all sides. Set the meat aside and discard the cooked fat in the pot. If the bottom of the pot is burned, rinse it to eliminate any bitterness.

Put the butter in the pot, add the onions and garlic, and sweat them over medium heat while stirring until they turn translucent, about 10 minutes. Add the caraway and paprika and stir over the heat for 1 minute more so the spices release their aroma. Add the broth and the tomatoes, and scrape the bottom of the pot with a wooden spoon to dissolve any caramelized juices. If you’re using canned tomatoes, push your thumb through the side of each one and then gently squeeze them (wear an apron, the seeds like to squirt out) to get rid of the seeds. Chop them coarse. Put the bouquet garni in the pot and put the meat and any juices it has released on top.

Bring the soup to a gentle simmer, partially cover the pot (so too much liquid doesn’t evaporate), and simmer for 2 hours.

Cut the potatoes into manageable-size pieces – about an inch on each side. Skim off any fat that has floated to the top of the broth, and add the potatoes to the soup. Continue simmering until the potatoes are done (a knife slides easily in and out of each one), about 20 minutes more.

Add the pre-cooked dumplings to the pot – simmer them for five minutes if they’ve grown cold – or heat them for 10 minutes in a 250 degree oven and sprinkle them over each serving.

Heat the optional diced tomatoes. Ladle the soup into heated bowls, and arrange the dumplings on top of each serving. Pass the sour cream at the table.
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Jeff Grossman » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:02 pm

Jenise -- Thank you. Maybe it would just be simpler to use the spice on eggs, potatoes, quiche, etc. I have some Penzey's regular and Spanish smoked to contrast/compare.

Frank -- Thank you. I actually made a dish similar to this last night! But I had a vision of beef barley soup, more than goulash. And, yes, when I was in Budapest it was clear that they all think real gulyas is a soup. (And not like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIwvsj40sBY)
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Michelle Nordell » Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:09 pm

This might be a little late, but here is my husband's Paprikáscsirke or Chicken Paprikás. You will have to add sour cream to the dish, we didn't because we keep kosher.
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Frank Deis » Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:56 pm

Michelle Nordell wrote:This might be a little late, but here is my husband's Paprikáscsirke or Chicken Paprikás. You will have to add sour cream to the dish, we didn't because we keep kosher.


Michelle, that looks great, I will have to try it. And I was kind of blown away that the first response to your recipe posting was from a lady who lives in my very small town in New Jersey. Small world after all.

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by Jeff Grossman » Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:27 pm

Never too late! Thank you, Michelle.
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Ian H » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:17 pm

Hi there,
This is my first ever post on these boards, so forgive me if I act in any way that isn't in accordance to accepted custom. I'm a half English, half Hungarian ex freelance chef, and I'm afraid I come out in spots when I see many recipes for Paprikash. First of all, it's important to stress that there is a very good Hungarian chicken dish called Chicken pörkölt and I have a generic recipe for it here http://pagesperso-orange.fr/souvigne/recipes/main660.htm. The ONLY difference between a pörkölt and a paprikás is the use of sour cream in a paprikás, so it's impossible to make a kosher version of a paprikás, because it is a pörkölt. It's like trying to make an alcohol free Coq au vin!! :lol:

On my website, and just above the recipe for pörkölts are general instructions for making them. Please do read them, because the way in which one should cook these dishes is unlike any method commonly used in Western cookery. The name pörkölt means "singed" and the cooking needs to take place in such a way that it is on the edge of burning. This is essential if you wish to get the real taste of the Hungarian dishes.

Anyway, I've also got a recipe for a chicken paprikás which is pretty authentic.http://pagesperso-orange.fr/souvigne/recipes/main200.htm Though please, before trying it, DO read the general tips on making pörkölts.

Hope I've not sounded too authoritarian, or dictatorial, but you DID say you wanted one "like you had in Hungary." If you follow my recipe, you will.
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Dave R » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:37 pm

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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Bob Henrick » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:47 pm

Ian H wrote:Hi there,
This is my first ever post on these boards, so forgive me if I act in any way that isn't in accordance to accepted custom. I'm a half English, half Hungarian ex freelance chef, and I'm afraid I come out in spots when I see many recipes for Paprikash. First of all, it's important to stress that there is a very good Hungarian chicken dish called Chicken pörkölt and I have a generic recipe for it here http://pagesperso-orange.fr/souvigne/recipes/main660.htm. The ONLY difference between a pörkölt and a paprikás is the use of sour cream in a paprikás, so it's impossible to make a kosher version of a paprikás, because it is a pörkölt. It's like trying to make an alcohol free Coq au vin!! :lol:

On my website, and just above the recipe for pörkölts are general instructions for making them. Please do read them, because the way in which one should cook these dishes is unlike any method commonly used in Western cookery. The name pörkölt means "singed" and the cooking needs to take place in such a way that it is on the edge of burning. This is essential if you wish to get the real taste of the Hungarian dishes.

Anyway, I've also got a recipe for a chicken paprikás which is pretty authentic.http://pagesperso-orange.fr/souvigne/recipes/main200.htm Though please, before trying it, DO read the general tips on making pörkölts.

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ope I've not sounded too authoritarian, or dictatorial, but you DID say you wanted one "like you had in Hungary." If you follow my recipe, you will.


Ian, welcome to the forum, we need all the chefs we can get, plus one more. As for sounding authoritarian, or dictatorial, I would not be too concerned. You stated your credentials well. And being Hungarian I suspect your recipe is authentic. I will try the recipe from your website. A question though if I may. I don't really know what you mean by 2 green paprika, do you mean 2 green paprika peppers, and if so, what could I substitute since I would not likely find them in my locality.Also, how large are the onions in the recipe? I would guess onions of about 3 inches in diameter?
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Ian H » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:01 pm

Hi Bob,

Thanks very much for the warmth of your welcome.

You said:-
being Hungarian I suspect your recipe is authentic

and that's certainly true, as I wrote it down as my Hungarian uncle (also a very keen cook) taught it to me - and I've compared it with recipes from some of the best Hungarian cookbooks, such as one by the great Karoly Gundel.

You wondered:-
I don't really know what you mean by 2 green paprika, do you mean 2 green paprika peppers, and if so, what could I substitute since I would not likely find them in my locality.Also, how large are the onions in the recipe? I would guess onions of about 3 inches in diameter?
I'm so sorry, that's the sort of problem I have sometimes when I read a recipe which calls for "chilli powder". :? Green paprikas are the fruit that you know as green paprika peppers as you surmised. As to what you can substitute... I'm at a loss. Can you get Chile poblano? That's about the nearest equivalent I can think of that might be available in Kentucky. It's by no means the same, however. When you say you can't find them in your locality, do you mean now, or ever? If you can never find them, I do find that surprising, as even in the total backwoods here in France we find them easily enough. But they are a summer/fall produce, so what you could do next year is to make your own lecso (tomatoes, green bell peppers, onions - recipe also on my website) freeze it in suitable batches and use that as and when you want to try a paprikás csirke. As for the onion, 3 inches would be about right I guess.

Hope that helps a bit.

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by Michelle Nordell » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:30 pm

My husband is just as half Hungarian as Ian is, more so if you ask my mother-in-law. :lol:

My husband makes chicken paprikash the way he learned from her, except that since he now keeps kosher, he leaves out the sour cream. You can walk down any street in Budapest and find at least 10 different recipes for paprikash. Hungarian food is basically peasant food and the better for it, and therefore recipe purism doesn't really fit. What Ian is calling green paprika is what Americans call green bell peppers. Whether you use two or four depends on the quantity you are making.

I don't have a problem with people sharing different recipes of the same thing, but don't insult me by saying my dish is not authentic. Hungarian Jews have always made paprikash without dairy and have lived in Hungary longer than the Magyars. So, please, tell my 91-year-old 100% Hungarian mother-in-law she doesn't know how to make paprikash. I dare you.
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by Bob Henrick » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:38 pm

Michelle Nordell wrote:My husband is just as half Hungarian as Ian is, more so if you ask my mother-in-law. :lol:

My husband makes chicken paprikash the way he learned from her, except that since he now keeps kosher, he leaves out the sour cream. You can walk down any street in Budapest and find at least 10 different recipes for paprikash. Hungarian food is basically peasant food and the better for it, and therefore recipe purism doesn't really fit. What Ian is calling green paprika is what Americans call green bell peppers. Whether you use two or four depends on the quantity you are making.

I don't have a problem with people sharing different recipes of the same thing, but don't insult me by saying my dish is not authentic. Hungarian Jews have always made paprikash without dairy and have lived in Hungary longer than the Magyars. So, please, tell my 91-year-old 100% Hungarian mother-in-law she doesn't know how to make paprikash. I dare you.


Michelle, If I left you with the feeling that I was saying that your recipe is not authentic, then I apologize, but that was not my intent at all. I responded to Ian, as this was his first post, and I wished to welcome him as is our custom on FLDG/WLDG. Also, he seemed to be concerned lest he be too bold in his assertions, and I (who have never made Papirkash) wished to set his mind at ease. At the time I had not yet read your post, and now I have. I have also copied your post to my food recipes folder and will try both yours and his. Also, thanks for explaining the green bell peppers and green paprika are one and the same.
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Larry Greenly » Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:34 pm

I guess we'll have to send in Hillary to defuse heightening culinary tensions.

New Mexico is an important paprika exporter. I've even grown some myself. It would be interesting to take "green paprika" literally and try cooking with it, but I believe that it means bell pepper or other mild green pepper.

Interesting information here: http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Caps_ann.html
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by Ian H » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:00 pm

Michelle Nordell wrote:My husband is just as half Hungarian as Ian is, more so if you ask my mother-in-law. :lol:
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My husband makes chicken paprikash the way he learned from her, except that since he now keeps kosher, he leaves out the sour cream.


May I ask you - please without taking umbrage - to ask him what is the essential difference between a pörkölt and a paprikás.

Because if you want to look in any of the serious recipes on Hungarian cuisine, I don't think you'll find one recipe for paprikás that doesn't have cream and one recipe for pörkölt that does. So what your husband is making may in fact be a pörkölt no matter what he calls it. I'm sure it's utterly delicious.

Of course recipes vary. And of course these traditional recipes are made differently by families all over Hungary - there are even people there who won't use lard any more because they feel it's more fattening than oil. But I really don't think that getting all hot and bothered is going to advance things. Facts are facts.

I am really sorry if what I say offends you, it's really not my intention, but in all walks of life, words are supposed to mean something, and that applies to food and dishes whether American, Hungarian, French or from anywhere else. If I were to post a recipe for Apple pie, which had no pastry and was made with apricots, then I would expect to get a certain amount of stick. I'm sure you'd feel it was justified. So would I. Every named dish has something with which, or without which it can no longer correctly be given that name. Take steak tartare. Two things are essential, in my view - chopped/ground beef and uncooked. You can't have steak tartare made with slices of lamb and you can't have it with cooked ground meat.

I apologise again if I've offended, it wasn't my intention.
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Mike Filigenzi » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:04 am

All I can say is that we have a plethora of very good looking recipes in this thread. Thanks to Frank, Michelle, and Ian for contributing.

Now I have to just figure out which one to make first....
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by David M. Bueker » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:14 am

Ian - welcome to the forum! As far as authenticity goes, it looks like we have the potential for a barbecue or gumbo argument! :mrgreen:
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by Dave R » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:28 am

Ian,

What's your take on beans in chili? :mrgreen:
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

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Dave R wrote:Ian,

What's your take on beans in chili?

Chortle.... the example had occurred to me.

Serve them beside - usually. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I use a recipe based on one by eminent chili head and generally disreputable friend Uncle 'Dirty' Dave. But I do have about 75 other recipes lurking around in my database. When I feel like a good laugh, I read through them from time to time.

Can I ask you one.... assuming you don't come from Cincinatti, what do you feel about cinnamon in them? :mrgreen:
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by David M. Bueker » Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:37 pm

Cinnamon in chili=blech!
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by Bob Henrick » Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:42 pm

Ian H wrote:Serve them beside - usually. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I use a recipe based on one by eminent chili head and generally disreputable friend Uncle 'Dirty' Dave. But I do have about 75 other recipes lurking around in my database. When I feel like a good laugh, I read through them from time to time.

Can I ask you one.... assuming you don't come from Cincinatti, what do you feel about cinnamon in them? :mrgreen:


Ian, I am outing myself here for the first time regards chili. I like beans in my chili! So I say to the purists, sue me! Now having admitted that I am not a chili purist, I must admit that cinnamon in chili almost make me ask for a barf bag! :-) Ok, taking this one step further, I can see an ounce or two of unsweetened dark chocolate would make the chili interesting.
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Jeff Grossman » Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:49 pm

A little cinnamon is OK; it is a cross-over hot and sweet spice.

But not too much.
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Re: Need a paprikash recipe.

by Bill Spohn » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:29 pm

Ian, dear chap. Welcome to this site!
I trust you and your dear wife are well - we couldn't come over to see you due to unfortunately foreseen circumstances, but never say never - we may yet darken your door again one year soon.

People, Ian is one of the 'good uns' and well able to hold his own in any discussion or debate on matters gustatory or oenological.
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by Mark Lipton » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:49 pm

Bill Spohn wrote:People, Ian is one of the 'good uns' and well able to hold his own in any discussion or debate on matters gustatory or oenological.
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