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Awesome dim sum

by Salil » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:33 am

While in Singapore I've been taking advantage of the access to really awesome local (Singaporean/Malay), Indian and Chinese food.

Last weekend I went to a great Chinese place called Peach Garden for a luncheon with some great wines (notes posted earlier in the wine talk forum). The standouts of that lunch were a trio of sweeter German wines, plus two types of dim sum that still stand out. The first had a very fine wrapping around what I can try and describe as a small but very richly flavoured pork meatball with chives in a little broth. I've had pork broth dim sum before, but this was something else with an amazing depth of flavour from the pork, broth and seasonings and the meat incredibly tender. Needless to say we ordered plenty more.
That meal ended with a basket of sweet dim sum - a steamed fluffy bun filled with a slightly salty egg custard. Only managed one of those given that I'd eaten a ton of food by that point (not to mention having drunk a lot of wine!), but it was phenomenal with the bun exterior being very light, and the custard inside incredibly rich and complex without feeling too heavy or sweet (and going quite well with the Auslese on the table).

Today had lunch at the Crystal Jade La Mian Xiao Long Bao and ordered a whole lot of different dim sum.
First was an interesting vegetarian one with chives, spring onion and a little chopped carrot and bok choy inside a thin translucent wrapper. Decent on its own (not something I felt like having much more of), tasted better with some of the house ginger/chili sauce adding a bit more kick and flavour.
Then a round of different pork dim sum that were all really awesome. First Tianjin-style steamed pork buns. Depending on where I've had them these can range from fairly dull by-the-numbers starters to really amazing dining experiences - this was definitely at the latter end of the spectrum. The pork was incredibly tender, slightly sweet and there was plenty of it (with not too much sauce, which I like); bun incredibly light and fluffy. I think my brother and I alone ended up ordering about 3 baskets worth just for ourselves. That was followed by a basket of pork and chive dumplings that was very similar to the ones from the weekend at Peach Garden, but not quite as amazing (with the pork filling not quite as flavourful or moist) - though still very good. And then a freaking amazing pan-fried pork and sesame dim sum with a very light, just slightly flaky crust that made me feel quite guilty about ordering/filling myself up with so many of the steamed pork buns.

Still, great eating. And the nice thing is that I'll be heading back once again to the Crystal Jade early next week for lunch and more dim sum. :D
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Jenise » Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:37 pm

Isn't Dim Sum one of the great foods on this planet? It's so delicious, and there's so much artistry involved. I could eat that way every day and never tire of it.

Since you're wining and dining in Singapore, have you met up with Yixin? I would guess you've found each other by now.

Interesting to realize you eat pork. Somehow I'd just assumed you didn't--made too gross a generalization on your name, I guess. :oops: True story: when I was a young bride my husband invited a workmate named Ranjit Chana and his wife to dinner. I wondered aloud about what to make and he (this was a former husband--yes, like almost everybody else I too had a practice marriage) suggested American barbecue, specifically pork ribs. (We were living in the UK at this point.) So that's what I made and as we sat down to dinner I realized in horror what I'd done. Now the Chanas gamely and graciously ate the food even though I made it clear they did not have to, but I could tell that they truly would have preferred not to. And there were so many other things I could have made! I just didn't think.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Salil » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:20 pm

Yup Jenise, dim sum is amazing. Love the range of styles and flavours and the presentation (most of the time) is really fantastic. And yes, have caught up with Yixin a few times while here - in fact he had organized that weekend lunch at Peach Garden (the notes from that are here).

Re. pork, eat it (perhaps too much) and absolutely love it. Even eat other red meat occasionally (veal is a guilty pleasure of mine), but the only thing I don't eat is seafood - which meant I missed the (really beautifully made) shrimp and bamboo shoot dumplings my brother ordered.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Mark Lipton » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:04 pm

Jenise wrote:

Interesting to realize you eat pork. Somehow I'd just assumed you didn't--made too gross a generalization on your name, I guess. :oops: True story: when I was a young bride my husband invited a workmate named Ranjit Chana and his wife to dinner. I wondered aloud about what to make and he (this was a former husband--yes, like almost everybody else I too had a practice marriage) suggested American barbecue, specifically pork ribs. (We were living in the UK at this point.) So that's what I made and as we sat down to dinner I realized in horror what I'd done. Now the Chanas gamely and graciously ate the food even though I made it clear they did not have to, but I could tell that they truly would have preferred not to. And there were so many other things I could have made! I just didn't think.


Having shared moo ping with Salil in Chicago some time ago, I'm not surprised. Re pork and India, the situation in slightly complex. The Muslim and Hindu populations will of course not eat pork as part of their cultural and religious dietary restrictions, but there is also a small Christian population and, especially in the former Portuguese colony of Goa, among them pork is not only eaten but might figure prominently in their diet. Most Americans are unaware that the most traditional meat for vindaloo is pork, it being a Goanese dish. Lamb vindaloo is what you get when the dish is imported to the US by Bengali or Bangladeshi immigrants.

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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Jenise » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:29 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:The Muslim and Hindu populations will of course not eat pork as part of their cultural and religious dietary restrictions, but there is also a small Christian population and, especially in the former Portuguese colony of Goa, among them pork is not only eaten but might figure prominently in their diet. Most Americans are unaware that the most traditional meat for vindaloo is pork, it being a Goanese dish. Lamb vindaloo is what you get when the dish is imported to the US by Bengali or Bangladeshi immigrants.

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A favorite old Indian haunt of mine was Goanese, so I understand that difference. But in that incident I spoke of, back then I was young and inexperienced and I didn't know that, and the safest assumption, if I had to make one, was that only lamb, poultry and fish would be safe choices. It wouldn't happen to me now--it was in fact the embarrassment of that incident that caused me to forever after inquire if my guests have any allergies they'd like to admit or even invent in order to insure I don't serve any food that would be an issue for them.

Salil, no seafood? Don't care for it, or are there moral/religious reasons for that?
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by David M. Bueker » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:46 pm

This whole thread is just making me really hungry. Salil, it will be good to have you back in the US, back in the US, back in the US...well...A.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Lou Kessler » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:27 pm

We were in Singapore for about five days a year and a half ago. I wish I could remember all the places, have some notes somewhere. The one place that stands out in my mind was The Maxwell Hawker Center, which is street food under a roof. Fabulous number of different dishes from different stands. Seafood, especially the Chile Crab in a couple of restaurants. Great place to visit and eat a plethora of great food.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Salil » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:02 am

Jenise wrote:Salil, no seafood? Don't care for it, or are there moral/religious reasons for that?

Nothing moral (heck, I eat veal! ;)) or religious about it - I've just gotten ill on almost all occasions when I've had any kind of seafood in the past, so take the safe route and avoid it these days.

And yes Lou, the Singapore hawker stalls are great. Have dropped in at the Newton Circus hawker stands a few times in the past for satay or roti with goat curry - wonderful food.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Rahsaan » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:38 am

Enough of this food chatter, you're making me too hungry/jealous! :D

One of my first stops upon arriving in Singapore was at a hawker center and the soup I got was the hottest thing I had ever tasted. In restaurants in the US and Europe, even so-called spicy dishes are usually tolerable if you eat slowly and gather your composure inbetween bites. But this soup devastated my mouth from the first sip and it took all day to recover!
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Salil » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:57 pm

I think the guys at Szechuan Gourmet are exercising mind control over me. Had dinner there yesterday, and we ordered pan-seared pork and chicken potstickers to start. The pork potstickers were really good. After that came a round of dim sum filled with pork, chilli, garlic and soy that was addictive to the point that we were ordering a second portion before even halfway through the first order. :D

The dim sum I've found on the menus at Grand Sichuan and Sich Gourmet in NYC are right up there with anything I've tasted in the far east. Amazing restaurants. I am really glad I am going to be in NY again next week for another assault on the Sich Gourmet menu.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Lou Kessler » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:04 pm

Salil Benegal wrote:I think the guys at Szechuan Gourmet are exercising mind control over me. Had dinner there yesterday, and we ordered pan-seared pork and chicken potstickers to start. The pork potstickers were really good. After that came a round of dim sum filled with pork, chilli, garlic and soy that was addictive to the point that we were ordering a second portion before even halfway through the first order. :D

The dim sum I've found on the menus at Grand Sichuan and Sich Gourmet in NYC are right up there with anything I've tasted in the far east. Amazing restaurants. I am really glad I am going to be in NY again next week for another assault on the Sich Gourmet menu.

I don't consider myself an expert on dim sum but I know that the foodies who are, rate the dim sum better in San Francisco.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Ian H » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:45 pm

Hi,
I wouldn't rate myself as anything like an expert on Dim sum, though it's been amongst my favourite ways of eating since around 2001 and I eat them whenever I can, which is maybe three or four time a year, when I go back to the UK (we don't have them here in France).

When we were in Hong Kong in 2001, we couldn't keep away from them, though we found the quality quite variable, The place I liked best was "The Dim Sum" in Happy Valley. Anyway, since then I've eaten them in London, NY and San Francisco, and I'm not convinced that the Dim Sum in SF were significantly better than the best in London or Hong Kong. If I were pressed, I guess I'd say that The Dim Sum was the best, followed by the (New) City Hall restaurant in HK. Then with little or nothing to choose between them, the best places I found in London & SF. What I did find was that the "drop off" in quality in London was faster than in SF, which had amazing strength in depth.

Not long now.... we go back to the UK in 3 weeks for another orgy of Dim Sum!
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Lou Kessler » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:30 pm

Ian H wrote:Hi,
I wouldn't rate myself as anything like an expert on Dim sum, though it's been amongst my favourite ways of eating since around 2001 and I eat them whenever I can, which is maybe three or four time a year, when I go back to the UK (we don't have them here in France).

When we were in Hong Kong in 2001, we couldn't keep away from them, though we found the quality quite variable, The place I liked best was "The Dim Sum" in Happy Valley. Anyway, since then I've eaten them in London, NY and San Francisco, and I'm not convinced that the Dim Sum in SF were significantly better than the best in London or Hong Kong. If I were pressed, I guess I'd say that The Dim Sum was the best, followed by the (New) City Hall restaurant in HK. Then with little or nothing to choose between them, the best places I found in London & SF. What I did find was that the "drop off" in quality in London was faster than in SF, which had amazing strength in depth.

Not long now.... we go back to the UK in 3 weeks for another orgy of Dim Sum!

Ian, I could have made my post clearer by saying the Dim Sum was better in San Francisco than in NY. London I've not any eaten any Dim Sum, so I can't rate it but I have been to Hong Kong, the last time about 18 months ago and would put it at the top of my list. We may be in London next year, where should we go for Dim Sum? Might as well be prepared early. :)
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Salil » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:33 pm

Lou, I have not had the chance to have dim sum in San Francisco. The one time I was out there, I was mostly indulging in north Indian/Punjabi food from a handful of Fremont/Silicon Valley-area restaurants. I might be out there some time this spring; what are the places worth visiting?
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Lou Kessler » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:53 pm

Salil Benegal wrote:Lou, I have not had the chance to have dim sum in San Francisco. The one time I was out there, I was mostly indulging in north Indian/Punjabi food from a handful of Fremont/Silicon Valley-area restaurants. I might be out there some time this spring; what are the places worth visiting?

As of this moment Yank Sing & Ton Kiang. Now there may be others by the time you're ready to come to San Francisco. Just ask then. Ton Kiang cost a little less but Yank Sing is better located, walking distance from the Ferry Building.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Ian H » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:20 pm

Hi Lou,
Lou Kessler wrote:
Ian H wrote:Hi,
I guess I'd say that The Dim Sum was the best, followed by the (New) City Hall restaurant in HK. Then with little or nothing to choose between them, the best places I found in London & SF. What I did find was that the "drop off" in quality in London was faster than in SF, which had amazing strength in depth.

Ian, I could have made my post clearer by saying the Dim Sum was better in San Francisco than in NY. London I've not any eaten any Dim Sum, so I can't rate it but I have been to Hong Kong, the last time about 18 months ago and would put it at the top of my list. We may be in London next year, where should we go for Dim Sum? Might as well be prepared early. :)

Yes that is a tad different, sorry if I misunderstood slightly. But for what it's worth - I agree.

As for London. The crucial question is whether you want your Dim Sum rolling past on a trolley or whether you want to order from a menu. You know as well as I do the advantages and disadvantages of each of them. My personal preference is for a menu, because in general you can be pretty sure they are prepared freshly for your order. I'm slightly torn between two or three places as my #1 choice - probably the Bayswater branch of the "Royal China" in Queensway. In Chinatown itself, there is a very good place called Gerard's Corner on the corner of Gerard Street and Wardour Street. They did drop a clanger by giving me ordinary broccoli when I expected chinese broccoli in oyster sauce. Just along Gerard Street there's the "Crispy Duck". To be honest, I think the food is a tad better, though the ambiance is that of a greasy spoon. Affable service.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Robin Garr » Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:02 pm

Lou Kessler wrote:I don't consider myself an expert on dim sum but I know that the foodies who are, rate the dim sum better in San Francisco.

Where in NYC? It's been a few years since we lived there last, but in the early to middle '90s, several of the dim sum eateries in Flushing blew away the well-known dim sum palaces in the newer east side of Chinatown, which in their turn were pretty good.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Lou Kessler » Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:57 pm

Robin Garr wrote:
Lou Kessler wrote:I don't consider myself an expert on dim sum but I know that the foodies who are, rate the dim sum better in San Francisco.

Where in NYC? It's been a few years since we lived there last, but in the early to middle '90s, several of the dim sum eateries in Flushing blew away the well-known dim sum palaces in the newer east side of Chinatown, which in their turn were pretty good.

It's been 3 or 4 years ago since we tried Dim Sum in NY but the restaurants were located in Chinatown. Now he may have shortcomings in other areas (like all of us) but Plotnicki has been adamant in his personal ratings of SF over NY. Now could be he has not been to the venues you ate in in Flushing.
By the way when I have used info from him he has been a hell of a lot more on target than Zagat.
By the way tourists when visiting NY usually are staying in Manhattan. How convenient is Flushing for a destination restaurant? If reasonable would try it myself when staying in Manhattan.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Salil » Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:25 pm

I've not read Plotnicki's reviews, but I've eaten at a few places in NY's Chinatown and was not particularly impressed.

I have had far better Chinese food at Peking Duck House and Szechuan Gourmet in mid-town Manhattan, and at Grand Sichuan in Chelsea and as long as I have those options, don't plan on heading back into Chinatown.

[That said - slightly off topic - while we are talking about great Chinese food in the US, I should also throw out a mention for the ever-fantastic 'Little Three Happiness' and Lao Sze Chuan in Chinatown in Chicago, which are both phenomenal and on par with some of the best places I have eaten from when I lived in the far east.]
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by Robin Garr » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:19 am

Lou Kessler wrote: How convenient is Flushing for a destination restaurant? If reasonable would try it myself when staying in Manhattan.

Lou, if memory serves (and it may not), it's a straight ride out from midtown on the 7 train, with no transfers. This assumes one is comfortable taking the subways, which as far as I 'm concerned are the quickest and easiest way to get around NYC.
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Re: Awesome dim sum

by Robin Garr » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:22 am

Lou Kessler wrote:more on target than Zagat.

As one-time New Yorkers, we were never very impressed with Zagat. The attitude among foodies was that it was a popularity poll among "bridge and tunnel people" who tended to discover last year's discoveries a year after they had peaked, and then rate them too highly, too late, while missing the newer and more interesting spots. It was also all but useless for the outer boroughs, listing only a handful of landmarks mostly notable for being very close to subway stations easily accessible from the city.
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by Jeff Grossman » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:49 am

Zagat is good for out-of-towners. (I use it as a handy phone-book.)
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by Jenise » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:35 pm

Jeff Grossman/NYC wrote:Zagat is good for out-of-towners. (I use it as a handy phone-book.)


And finding the places most loved by middle America. But to identify the venues that satisfy the most discerning palates, be they dives or fine dining, no. Plotnicki's filling a void there.
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by Redwinger » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:48 pm

Jenise wrote:And finding the places most loved by middle America.


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