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More remodel chat: Sheet pan storage and paint colors

by Jenise » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:53 pm

Thanks to everyone's thoughts on sheet-pan storage, I realized that the 18 inch cabinet to the right of my stove would make a perfect dedicated cabinet for both sheet pans and platters, and my cabinet guy came up with a design that will give me four four-inch vertical dividers and one shallow shelf on top for small racks (I have a collection of ovals and small rectangles for roasters and quarter sheet pans that I use quite a bit). Problem solved!

Meanwhile, for the last two weeks I've been trying to choose a paint color. I got a bit of a reprieve when Painter A put me off for a week, and then two more days, and then two more days after that and then emailed me last Wednesday in a fit of total situational unawareness that, so sad, he'd taken a job running crews for someone else but I could hire him through his new boss. Right. Like I would let his flakey white butt anywhere near my house again.

Nobody told me that choosing paint colors was a torture test unlike any other. I mean, after getting near ulcers over the flooring (Philipine merbau in 5" planks and Raja multi-color slate) and cabinet wood (birds eye maple, with a caramelly golden oak stain), finding the right shade of white should be a walk in the park.

Well, not in JeniseWorld. The first task was to go to Kelly Moore paints and pick up white paint color chips. Last time I did that there were about 15 shades of white. Now there are about 1800. I filled my purse and spent a week poring over them, finally picking out the five likeliest colors to try. Bob and I then painted all five on a northfacing wall in the laundry room. The wall had been texture coated but not yet primed. We immediately ruled out three but thought two were contenders. Then we got distracted by another emergency and in the meantime the texture guys came back and primed the laundry room wall, so our work was gone and the cans had been moved so we didn't know which was which. We decided that wasn't a good wall anyway so we now painted the five on a southfacing wall in the entry way directly under a skylight.

Wow, those are white? One was, but one was peach, another was brown, another was mustard, and two were maybe good. But to find out, we then painted them on an east-facing wall. Geez, those are the same colors? If I hadn't gotten them out of the same cans myself I wouldn't have believed it. So we then took the two most likely candidates from that batch and painted a pony wall half of each color. When it dried, we couldn't tell them apart. Couldn't even see a line where one stopped and the other started. And they both looked plain, antiseptic white. So we decided we were being blinded by the white-white of the primer and decided to have a go at a wall in our apartment-nee-bedroom, where we have been living for the last three months with five angry cats, that is still the old yellow-gray shade of beige that every room in this house was (I'm into continuity) that we've now decided is too dull and dark, and put the five colors there.

They were the ugliest whites I've ever seen in my life. Each and every one of them, all wrong. So I went back to my chips and then placed a frantic call to Kelly Moore demanding to know how I, if I decide I like OW-335-1 but want it one shade yellower, say, can figure that out from the numbering system. Surely there was some logic to the system that would lead me out of the desert. The answer was worse than I thought: the whites are completely random. The presence of one color on a strip does not imply anything about its relationship to the others.

F word! So I ordered five more colors, going a litte deeper in color than I had on the first pass and we painted those on the bedroom wall. More confusion: one was too gray, another looked lavender, one was too yellow, one was decidedly too white and yet another was a color you might name Public Toilet. Back to Kelly Moore for three more. And they weren't right either, so we started mixing paints, thinking that it would be easier--and we had enough paint--to correct the faults and create a custom blend that would suit. And voila, we got a color. A 50/50 blend of OW250 and OW255 was attractive on every wall be that morning, noon or night.

So yesterday morning I showed up at Kelly Moore and had them mix up a gallon. An hour later I met Jesus, my new painter, back here at the house and had him paint the den wall on a bright sunny day with it.

EGADS, it was way too dark. Looked like egg nog with extra yolks. So I sent Jesus home with instructions to come back this morning: I would have paint, I promised. I would force myself to choose something. So I got out all the cans of paint I now own and painted swatches of the unpainted half of the den wall with everything I've accumulated over the last few weeks, pulled out a chair, and sat down to stare at the wall.

And could decide nothing.

So I called my friend Susan who lives on the bluff above me and begged her to come down and give me her opinion. I created a nice little tableau in front of the wall with flooring samples, a strip of maple with various stain options on it, and the gray and caramel cement-fiber shingles we're using outside to represent the stone colors of the ginormous rock fireplace that divides the entire downstairs. So we spent 59 minutes debating the suitability of just two of the colors which we zeroed in on almost immediately, and then realized that one of the smaller swatches that we hadn't paid any attention to was probably perfect. It was whiter but not too bright or too-anything else. And it wasn't even one of our custom mixes, it had its own number and could be ordered from the catalog, as it were. And the egg nog color got more beautiful as it dried, and we finally decided that we'd complete the den wall with it, and use it as an accent color on two other walls. For me, who is very conservative about color, this is pretty darned daring.

When Bob got home he agreed with all the choices and we had a bottle of champagne to celebrate. Yes, it was a good day, a decision had been made, and it felt right. Right?

Wrong. I woke up at 3 a.m. sweating, feeling like I was on the edge of a precipice and someone was yelling Jump! Jump! What was the name of my new color? Was it Dubai Sand? Was it Buff Bluff? Did I even buy Buff Bluff? I wanted ivory. I wanted a linen-like color, soft and naturally not-quite-white. Swiss Coffee and White Chip had already been eliminated as too white and too pink, but Almond Sugar would be too yellow and English Sycamore too brown. Didn't I get a color called Ivory Tunnel? Didn't I tell Bob that if I were going to pick any color by the chip, that was the one I'd choose? Was that the one I picked? I didn't know, I knew it only as OW221-1. By 4 a.m. I was out of bed and in here posting away to kill time while pensively waiting out the next excruciating hour until Bob's alarm went off, when I could get back into our room and find the paint chips, and wondering at what point it would not be too early to call Jesus and tell him not to come.

The alarm went off. Two minutes later I held the chip for OW221-1 in my hand: Ivory Turret. It IS the right color. At 7:00 I phoned in my order to the guys at the paint store who have seen so much of me all I have to do is say "Hi, this is Jenise," and the tres amigos are downstairs right now getting ready to paint.

And so all's well, right? Well, not quite. In preparation for the arrival of the painters, I had my contractors pull the remaining carpet away from the wall in my office area, and we found soft wall board and mold at the base of one of the only walls we haven't replaced.

The nightmare's not over.
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Re: More remodel chat: Sheet pan storage and paint colors

by Ian Sutton » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:15 pm

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If Jesus can't sort it, then I think you might struggle... "I could do water into wine if you like? I'm good at that but just don't ask for Zinfandel, there are limits you know". "I see you have a pond - there's this really neat trick my mate Moses taught me - great for cleaning". "Ahh you want me to find a shade of off-white that works in all rooms at all times of the day - tricky! I might just have to get on the phone to my boss for that - he's a whizz with whites and has it in all his pictures... but between you and me, $50 says he suggests celestial white :roll: "

Reminds me of my dad's dislike of magnolia and the paint range brought out over here "white with a hint of ..." For which Magnolia became white with a hint of annoyance.

Best of luck with the damp/mould and hopefully it's very isolated and the timing is perfect to sort it out.

... and try not to dream paint colours :lol:

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Re: More remodel chat: Sheet pan storage and paint colors

by Jenise » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:52 pm

Ian, I have to admit to similar thoughts, and laughing out loud after having several telephone conversations with one "hey-zooce" and then seeing the name Gee-zus on my phone when he called me back.

As for the whites, no one can overwork a problem like I can! I can make very important and expensive decisions in a snap if the evidence is compelling enough and chance of regret very low, but I can annoy myself to the point of wrist-slitting when the path seems less obvious or I'm torn between two choices I like equally. This was a classic case of the former. And yet it had seemed so simple in concept that I allotted no real time, schedule-wise, to making a choice. I literally painted myself into a corner!

I can sympathize with your father. There's a color here called "Navajo White" I feel the same way about. It needs to leave the planet.

[url]Best of luck with the damp/mould and hopefully it's very isolated and the timing is perfect to sort it out.[/url]

It's looking better than it did an hour or two ago. That section of the house is a foot below grade, and unbelievably the concrete for the floor was not poured to the edge of the footing, so water was coming up there. But the footing looks good, so a little concrete and replacing the bottom two feet of dry wall will fix us right up, we think.
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Re: More remodel chat: Sheet pan storage and paint colors

by Mike Filigenzi » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:08 pm

Well this is what happens when you rush into things! We normally take at least a year to decide on a paint color. During that year, we have all kinds of the little colored chips taped to the walls and then later little patches of different-colored paints that grow to larger patches of fewer colors which stay there for a month or two until they're replaced with patches of yet different colors.

And then we have the exact same panic you did when we go through making the final decision. So what the hell - you saved yourself a year of ugly, splotchy, multi-colored walls! :D


I am really sorry to hear about the new mold, though. This really WILL end some day.
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Re: More remodel chat: Sheet pan storage and paint colors

by Jenise » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:09 pm

A year? I truly HATE myself for putting myself through two weeks of sheer agony. I had to go ahead and schedule the painters just to force a conclusion. A year? I probably wouldn't live through it!
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Re: More remodel chat: Sheet pan storage and paint colors

by Mike Filigenzi » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:44 pm

Well, taking a year to figure out the paint says a lot about why it might take us many years to figure out a kitchen remodel :shock:
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by Robert Reynolds » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:20 pm

When Gail and I painted our living/dining rooms and hallways/foyer, we had a theme in mind already. Took a scrap of fabric (leftover from covering the cornice boards over the windows) with us to Lowe's and picked up some color cards, went home and in just a few hours decided on the primary and accent colors of a green similar to olive drab but not quite, and brick red (the accent wall). Sheesh, perfectionists! :roll: :lol:
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Re: More remodel chat: Sheet pan storage and paint colors

by Jenise » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:29 pm

Mike Filigenzi wrote:Well, taking a year to figure out the paint says a lot about why it might take us many years to figure out a kitchen remodel :shock:


It took me three years to decide on flooring. :)
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by Karen/NoCA » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:45 pm

Oh my Jenise, I know exactly what you are going through. We just did the same thing. When we remodeled the house, we kept the same color on the walls, just repainted. Over the years, I began to notice that the white paint had had more of a heavy cream, or slightly yellow tinge, and I did not like it. I wanted a beige tinge. Three paint stores and dozens of samples later, plus one wall covered with different colors did nothing. So I called my decorator and once again, asked for her help. Knowing my house like she does, she came with one swatch, walked around with it and said, "this is it". After hearing the trouble I had, she told me today's paints have so much mandatory chemicals taken out of them, and it has made the paints sort of psychedelic. I agree. As the light changed during the day, the paints did too, and some of the change I hated. Like you, I saw brown, green, pink, yellow....ugh! I was so tired of it all. I knew that because our home is contemporary on the inside, lots of white and off white furniture, glass, I needed a clean color. The one she selected for us is from a locally owned paint shop who carry Dunn Edwards paints. My color is DE6057, Raindrops. It is indeed a clean look, from a beige mix. The swatch #492 has three colors to give you choices for baseboards,etc. So far, we only have the hallway, and hallway closets painted. It is indeed nice and clean looking and not something one notices. It stays in the background. But there is no yellow! Even the beiges I picked out popped out at me too much, and all had a noticeable second color coming in at different times during the day.
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by Robert Reynolds » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:06 pm

Y'all sound like my MIL - she thinks all walls should be either white or very damned close. lol
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by Jenise » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:49 pm

Karen, I love Dunn Edwards paints. Or at least, I had a lot less trouble finding a paint I liked when we used Dunn Edwards. I like it that they give you a swatch with compatible color suggestions.

I need a designer like your designer.

So, are you sitting down? A great big rain cloud just came over and my new paint? IT LOOKS GREEN. Well, lemon lime anyway. The fireplace looks pink in comparison. This won't work. I liked the primer better.
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by Jenise » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:56 pm

Robert Reynolds wrote:Y'all sound like my MIL - she thinks all walls should be either white or very damned close. lol


Good for you for picking paint colors so easily, Robert, I wish I was more like you. I'm just not comfortable with color, I need everything fairly neutral or I feel crowded. I enjoy visiting color, but I need to come home to something calmer. I think it's in part the way my brain works--every letter, every number, every day of the week, every month of the year have assigned colors. I see my phone number written down, for instance, and I see roseyellowwhite-blackbrownyellowwhite. I see my initials and I see pinkyellowgreen. You are redpinkred. The neutrals are my escape from all that.
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by Karen/NoCA » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:22 pm

Ha! I feel the same way.....I love my neutrals, they calm me, make the home feel clean, peaceful. I do love color and I put it into my flowers outside, that I bring in for bouquets, pillows on couches, vases offer a punch of color here and there, but I must have peaceful. Hey, the dog and cat love it too!
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by Robert Reynolds » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:12 pm

Green is supposed to be a calming color.
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by Jenise » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:23 am

Robert Reynolds wrote:Green is supposed to be a calming color.


That's why they use a lot of it in hospitals, which you're a recent expert on. :)
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by Jenise » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:35 am

Karen/NoCA wrote:Ha! I feel the same way.....I love my neutrals, they calm me, make the home feel clean, peaceful. I do love color and I put it into my flowers outside, that I bring in for bouquets, pillows on couches, vases offer a punch of color here and there, but I must have peaceful. Hey, the dog and cat love it too!


When we moved into this house, I painted the drywall fireplace stack a butterscotch color--everything else received the same shade of dark offwhite. It took me a week to decide to use the color, and it's the only accent color besides a pale dove gray I've EVER done in a house. That's how boringly neutral I am.

Where I've gotten nervy is on the outside of the house. Because we had to rebuild the entire east side, we had to rip off 16 foor board lengths of clear cedar T & G siding--valuable stuff, but it was going to need repainting every couple years and some of it had to be replaced. In our salt water environment, that stuff requires repainting about every three, and it cracks and peels a lot (thought it should do less now that we've discovered and fixed the internal wall moisture issue. Still--this marine air is unkind to EVERYTHING. The cedar was painted a greenish brown, which wasn't much of a contrast with the charcoal gray metallic siding. I've replaced all the cedar with TWO colors of a Japanese cement-fiber shingle called Nichina in two colors: charcoal gray and caramel. We've used the caramel at the entry and where windows are inset, plus an accent wall on the upstairs outdoor deck. It looks amazingly hot and is a perfect reference to the butterscotch color of the fireplace (and the rock the fireplace is built out of). A neighborhood architect dropped by and said OHMIGODWHEREDIDYOUGETTHIS STUFF, and immediately demanded to know who I'd hired to design the scheme. I'm so proud of it--I found the product and did all the design work myself. Of course, then you step inside and everything's boring white again. :)
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by Karen/NoCA » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:33 pm

pictures, please
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by Barb Freda » Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:05 am

I second the pictures request.

And what happened to the soft wall board and mold you found? My condolences.
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by Howie Hart » Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:26 am

Robert Reynolds wrote:Green is supposed to be a calming color.
I disagree. It's my observation that the colors of walls get reflected onto everything else, including one's skin. Casting a green hue on on one's skin makes a person look sick. Hey - the Marines made me wear green clothes every day during my enlistment, so I need some excuse to hate that color. :wink:
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Re: More remodel chat: Sheet pan storage and paint colors

by Carl Eppig » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:56 am

Never have a problem choosing a color. She says, "How about this one?", and I say, "Fine." It makes absolutely no difference to me what color a wall is with one exception and she knows it; G.I. green.

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