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Green Tea and Nightmares

by Jenise » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:18 pm

I hate discussing our personal health issues, but this is too important not to mention because someone you know may be affected by this.

But for the last several years, my husband has been suffering almost nightly nightmares. He never goes two nights in a row without one, and many nights has two and sometimes three. I lay awake for hours waiting to calm him down once they begin, because I've learned I can talk him through them quietly to the point where he sometimes doesn't remember them in the morning. Which is good--the nightmares have made him fearful of sleeping, both on his own account and for the disruption it causes me. If anyone's noticed posts from me at 3 a.m., this is likely why I'm up--I've forgotten what good sleep is like.

For the last several years, my husband has also been dealing with a lot of cancer issues, and we've attributed the nightmares to the inevitable fears.

And for the last several years, I've switched us almost completely from coffee to tea, green tea to be exact, for all the good health reasons--less caffeine, antioxidants, yada yada. Five cups a day has been our goal.

Early last week Bob read that green tea has been associated with an increased prevalence of nightmares. When he said that, I realized that I've heard that before--perhaps it was mentioned here. But I'd completely forgotten and of course we had other things to blame it on. To find out if it could be true, he stopped drinking green tea altogether.

Amazingly, the nightmares subsided immediately and by now have stopped completely. The difference is so stark it leaves us in doubt about the cause.

With the increased popularity of green tea, it's entirely likely that someone you know is or could be affected by the tea in this same way, so I thought Bob's experience worth mentioning.
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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Paul Winalski » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:45 pm

Thanks for pointing this out, Jenise.

I've noticed that green tea seems to be good for dental health. If I get gum inflammation, I switch from black tea to green tea and the situation usually clears up in a day or two.

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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Mark Lipton » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:41 pm

Fascinating, Jenise! It strikes me that if someone can isolate the principal in green tea responsible for increased nightmare activity that it could be a boon for dream researchers. I'm glad that your husband's problems were so easily dealt with (our son went through a stretch of several months where he'd get up at night because of a nightmare -- luckily I get back to sleep easily, but it cost Jean a lot of sleep)

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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Celia » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:24 pm

Jenise, I've given up all caffeinated teas and coffees completely. Even the little bit of caffeine in green tea affects me (produces small BP spikes). I've just started drinking decaf black tea and find it still makes me a bit shaky - might be the tannins. I'm sorry Bob's had such an adverse effect from the green tea, but relieved you've managed to sort it...
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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Jo Ann Henderson » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:58 am

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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by MichaelB » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:18 am

Whatever works! I drink green tea at night because it lacks most caffeine and I seldom have nightmares, but that’s just me.

The anecdotal evidence for green tea’s nightmarish effect has been around for probably longer than Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu’s classic “Green Tea,” readily available in _Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural_. Warning: these stories will definitely cause nightmares!

On the other hand, I lived for years in east Asia and almost all the tea drunk by Japanese, Chinese and Koreans is green tea. Oxidized black tea is for foreigners.

I’ve had terrifying, recurrent nightmares and have sweated out some tense wee hours. Whatever its basis, the cure is sweet and restful. I'm glad your husband made it.
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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Daniel Rogov » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:51 am

Jenise, Hi....

It is most surely true that individuals react differently to many of the things we take into our bodies but the vast majority of research seems to indicate that not only does green tea reduce the problems of sleep apnoea but also reduces conditions such as memory loss and confusion caused by a host of sleep disorders.

Other than personal experience, can you find any research documentation to support that there is a correlation between green tea and nightmares? I am not a medical person (for sure not!) but a search of Google revealed nothing to me. Perhaps not a careful enough search on my part????

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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Jenise » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:48 am

Daniel Rogov wrote:It is most surely true that individuals react differently to many of the things we take into our bodies but the vast majority of research seems to indicate that not only does green tea reduce the problems of sleep apnoea but also reduces conditions such as memory loss and confusion caused by a host of sleep disorders.

Other than personal experience, can you find any research documentation to support that there is a correlation between green tea and nightmares? I am not a medical person (for sure not!) but a search of Google revealed nothing to me. Perhaps not a careful enough search on my part????

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Daniel, hi.... :)

Without a doubt green tea is quite good for you. I drink 3-5 cups a day with no ill effects whatsoever, and will continue to do so. I'm not here to damn the stuff, I adore it! As does Bob, he misses it greatly. But the difference in just one week is astonishing, and there's no doubt in either of our minds that the tea is what made that difference. I'll ask Bob where he found whatever it was he found, but research or not won't change what is anecdotally, in his case, now fact.
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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Daniel Rogov » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:11 am

Jenise, Hi Back Atcha....

Not at all saying that it did not work for Bob. As I said earlier, individuals react differently to different things and vive la difference. Just curious to know if Bob's experience is generalizeable.

By the way, like you I also enjoy green tea. Learned many years ago to steep the first cup well and then to use the same leaves for 2 - 3 following cups.....an interesting extension of the herbal concept that the more dilute the application the more efficient and even more tasty.



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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by RichardAtkinson » Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:03 pm

Jenise,

Not all green tea is created equal. Did you try switching brands or going to a different cut? Or you might try some of the herbal blends. Like green tea and mint or green tea and lemon balm.

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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Mark Lipton » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:01 am

RichardAtkinson wrote:Jenise,

Not all green tea is created equal. Did you try switching brands or going to a different cut? Or you might try some of the herbal blends. Like green tea and mint or green tea and lemon balm.


One of the many unfortunate outgrowths of the popularization of green tea for its antioxidants has been the proliferation of green tea + X concoctions in the market. I freely admit my bias in this regard, as I love properly brewed Japanese green teas (Gyokuro most especially), but I also sense the parallel to those "drink red wine for their health" folk who occasionally pop up on online fora to learn about red wines that don't taste like red wine. I've had a few green tea combinations, alas, and not liked a single one of them, purist that I am.

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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Jenise » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:03 am

RichardAtkinson wrote:Jenise,

Not all green tea is created equal. Did you try switching brands or going to a different cut? Or you might try some of the herbal blends. Like green tea and mint or green tea and lemon balm.

Richard


Richard, I tend to buy and use a number of green teas concurrently. Our favorite is a high mountain tea I buy two pounds at a time from a Chinese guy in Canada, but we haven't had any since construction started three months ago, and there's been no change in Bob's nightmare patterns. We're currently switching around between a green jasmine, a green with osthmanthus, and a Japanese green called, I think, sencha.

Haven't considered any of the herbal blends because, like Mark, I haven't like the taste of any I've been served. (Annoyingly, Starbucks and most coffee places have one green tea on hand--always with mint. And I love green tea, and separately I love mint, but I don't care for the combination.)
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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Frank Deis » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:57 pm

Just a request -- if anyone DOES find an article about this please post a link.

Like Rogov I Googled my fingers to the bone and mostly found nothing.

Not questioning the story, just wanting to read more.

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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Jenise » Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:38 pm

Frank Deis wrote:Just a request -- if anyone DOES find an article about this please post a link.

Like Rogov I Googled my fingers to the bone and mostly found nothing.

Not questioning the story, just wanting to read more.

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I looked, didn't find anything either. And when I asked Bob, he said someone at work mentioned the association so he googled "green tea" and "nightmares" and up came something. He doesn't remember what or where though, and it sure doesn't seem to be there now.

Btw, he is now without green tea for two weeks. Only one nightmare. In the prior fourteen days, he'd had about 20.
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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by David M. Bueker » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:19 pm

I don't like green tea. Apparently Bob took it to a new level.
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Re: Green Tea and Nightmares

by Shel T » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:22 am

Jenise, suggestions about the relationship between green tea and nightmares and an interesting link.
Green tea, like all teas has some complicated chemistry and maybe Bob is more sensitive to its various properties and reacts to them by getting nightmares.
Green tea has psychoactive/psychotropic components and re this link, the ability to cross the blood-brain barrier, so a possible reason for the bad dreams.
Granted that green tea apparently has many excellent health benefits, but so does Lipitor for 90-something percent of the population, and can be a severe debilitator and even killer for a significant percentage of people who have taken it.
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