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The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Jenise » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:56 pm

The news just keeps getting worse.

Yesterday the contractor ripped out the den walls and ceiling and found additional and extensive rot and live carpenter ant larvae indicating that the entire roof over that section of the house (underneath an upstairs deck) must come down. Blessed with sun today and tomorrow, my contractor rounded up extra help and they're up there removing all right now. I was up there just a few minutes ago, and I just want to cry.

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On a brighter note, over the weekend we moved into the master bedroom: Bob's "big ass TV", the temporary kitchen--it's all up there, that's where we live now. And other than the fact that it's strange getting out of bed and not going anywhere, we're getting along fine as this shot of Bob, the herd and the new "pantry" indicates.

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Meanwhile the windows (14 new ones) were all delivered and I'm totally not happy with them--the beads look like hell, like they were cut and installed by monkeys. To assuage me the manufacturer sent not the sales rep but some doofus repair guy out who showed me how these are all hand-cut and that's why they look so bad! I explained that miter boxes had been invented a long time ago to prevent such problems, and he said yahbut this company doesn't use them and neither to his knowledge does any other (he's worked for three)--it's all hand-done, and to his eye they passed the "ten foot rule", which he further explained meant that any problem not visible from ten feet away is okay. NO IT'S NOT OKAY, I said, before ordering him out of here and making livid phone calls to both the dealer I purchased these through and the window manufacturer itself who, amazingly, pretty much backed up the service guy. Yup, they do hand cut, no one knows why, yeah the rule applies, and she had no idea how they passed QA. I do--there IS no QA! I told them they're about to get all their windows back which they relayed to the local dealer who is going to come out today and do the inspection he should have done when they were delivered to him.

On a happier note, over the weekend I was at a friend's home for the Super Bowl and when I saw the folding door she has over her appliances, I realized I was about to get the same thing over my appliance bar and did not want it--it's nice looking but too conventional for this home. While laying awake later that night, I thought of the perfect thing to do instead: chain mail, a chain curtain. So I got on the phone yesterday and was able to locate a fireplace store in town that can get the kind of stainless steel material we need and custom fab the hanging/closure system.
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Cynthia Wenslow » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:10 pm

Oh.My.

I have never heard of the "ten foot rule" and I was shopping for replacement windows for an entire floor at my last place of employment, and I never saw any that looked bad, either, whether hand cut or not. Good for you for sticking to your guns, Jenise!

Can't wait to see the chain mail closure!
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Jenise » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:35 pm

Cynthia Wenslow wrote:Oh.My.

I have never heard of the "ten foot rule" and I was shopping for replacement windows for an entire floor at my last place of employment, and I never saw any that looked bad, either, whether hand cut or not. Good for you for sticking to your guns, Jenise!

Can't wait to see the chain mail closure!


Re the ten foot rule, I just got off the phone with a different local window dealer who told me that the supposed "ten foot rule" is one that 1) applies to glass defects, not framing--and glass defects were not even hinted at during my conversation with the repair guy yesterday, and 2) is applied by better manufacturers at the five or six foot range, not ten feet. The jerk didn't even know what he was talking about! This other dealer also assured me that this manufacturer is one he sells and who generally provides good quality--the problems I'm seeing aren't, in his experience, typical. He did confirm though that many/most maunfacturers do hand-cut the bead, though. For the life of me I can't understand why.
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Mike Filigenzi » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:47 pm

Wow - hang in there, Jenise. That roof news is awful but at least you're getting it done before the leaking and/or collapsing starts.

I've heard of the "ten foot rule" before, but only as applied to the cosmetics of used automobiles.
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by ChefJCarey » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:07 pm

I've heard of the "ten foot rule" before, but only as applied to the cosmetics of used automobiles.


I thought for a minute there you were going to make a comment about women...
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Doug Surplus » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:46 pm

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I've heard of the "ten foot rule" before, but only as applied to the cosmetics of used automobiles.


I thought for a minute there you were going to make a comment about women...


That only appies in dimly lit bars near closing time.
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Karen/NoCA » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:36 pm

Jenise, what are the "beads"? Might that be the caulking around the frame?
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Jenise » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:46 pm

Karen, no it's not caulk though you're right the word 'bead' applies to that too. In the case of a vinyl window, it's a plastic membrane whose purpose is purely cosmetic--it covers up the joint between the glass and the structure that holds the glass in place. Rather like a picture frame, which of course makes the sloppy manufacture especially hard to understand.
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by Robert Reynolds » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:56 pm

Jenise wrote:Karen, no it's not caulk though you're right the word 'bead' applies to that too. In the case of a vinyl window, it's a plastic membrane whose purpose is purely cosmetic--it covers up the joint between the glass and the structure that holds the glass in place. Rather like a picture frame, which of course makes the sloppy manufacture especially hard to understand.

Vinyl windows are a bit of a gamble in the south - they tend to overheat during really hot weather, and the frames sag. I'd be very surprised if that is ever a problem in Washington, however!
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Christina Georgina » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:13 am

Oh my indeed ! The only good thing is that you found out now rather than later.
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Bill Spohn » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:23 pm

Doug Surplus wrote:
ChefJCarey wrote:
I've heard of the "ten foot rule" before, but only as applied to the cosmetics of used automobiles.


I thought for a minute there you were going to make a comment about women...


That only appies in dimly lit bars near closing time.



The way I heard it, it was the 10 beer rule......
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Bill Spohn » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:28 pm

I feel your pain (he said in his best Bill Clinton voice)

I have no vinyl windows (nor any double glazing) but whenever I am placed in a position where I have to do repairs, I am struck by the differences in workmanship and materials between my 1930s house and what they use/do today (which is mostly crap!)

I'd hazard a guess that you may be ready for a glass of wine come Friday......

BTW - sure you've got enough cats....
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Jenise » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:54 pm

Robert Reynolds wrote:
Jenise wrote:Karen, no it's not caulk though you're right the word 'bead' applies to that too. In the case of a vinyl window, it's a plastic membrane whose purpose is purely cosmetic--it covers up the joint between the glass and the structure that holds the glass in place. Rather like a picture frame, which of course makes the sloppy manufacture especially hard to understand.

Vinyl windows are a bit of a gamble in the south - they tend to overheat during really hot weather, and the frames sag. I'd be very surprised if that is ever a problem in Washington, however!


Sure isn't! One of the 14 windows is a new window altogether in the kitchen, the others all replace existing 30 year old windows and it's high time. They're all metal framed and guess what they do all winter long? Sweat condensation, which has warped the wood sills. Good riddance!
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Jenise » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:59 pm

Christina Georgina wrote: I was thinking of sliding mirrored glass panels when an appliance garage was in my design.


What did you end up doing?
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Jenise » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:01 pm

Bill Spohn wrote:I have no vinyl windows (nor any double glazing) but whenever I am placed in a position where I have to do repairs, I am struck by the differences in workmanship and materials between my 1930s house and what they use/do today (which is mostly crap!)

I'd hazard a guess that you may be ready for a glass of wine come Friday......

BTW - sure you've got enough cats....


Double glazing wasn't done back then? Didn't realize--but no way can you remove and replace what's there. They're beautiful. The walls on your house must be two feet thick.

Yes re that glass of wine.

No re the cats--thousands are euthanized every day, and I'll take as many as can get along. Unfortunately, Tammy Faye (the black/white cat) thinks five is four too many so we're at our max at the moment.
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Dave R » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:09 pm

Jenise,

What brand of window are you using?
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Bill Spohn » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:25 pm

Jenise wrote:No re the cats--thousands are euthanized every day, and I'll take as many as can get along. Unfortunately, Tammy Faye (the black/white cat) thinks five is four too many so we're at our max at the moment.


OK, as you are being big hearted, I won't give in to my darker inclination and tell Bob you posted that picture as a "Where's Waldo' contest - "How Many Pussies in the Picture?"..... :twisted:

BTW, the last attack of termites I had was a sally toward the wine cellar!! Had to talk to the exterminators about wha chemicals they used and how they would react with wine, lest I inadvertently turn the whole cellar into a 1982 Phelan Segur Ornithene thing (if anyone remembers that - probably dating myself).
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Jenise » Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:06 pm

Dave R wrote:Jenise,

What brand of window are you using?


In a fit of Buy Local loyalty, I chose Weathervane out of Kent, Washington.
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Christina Georgina » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:02 pm

In the end, bagged the garage idea because I had a large walk in pantry with great storage and did not want to give up any counter space.
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Re: The Kitchen Diary: Day Nine

by Barb Freda » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:09 pm

Wow. Bummer to see open sky in a photo of a kitchen reno...Truly the rule of remodeling, isn't it? Open one thing, find half a dozen more repairs to make...

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