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Foodie or Not?

by Cynthia Wenslow » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:46 pm

I've never referred to myself that way, and nobody I know has called me that either, even though I seek out perfect ingredients and love it when I achieve sublime results.

Jessi Klein has an opinion about them.

You know who I’m talking about: people who take pride in fetishizing food. Fussy eaters who glorify the transformation of nutrition into fashion. Foodie culture. Foodie bloggers. People for whom the opening of a new Mario Batali restaurant spurs the same excited panting as a dose of Viagra.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Stuart Yaniger » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:55 pm

She seems to like the sexual simile:

But I hate that foodies feel like every meal has to have the same wow-factor as their birthday blowjob.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Ian Sutton » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:57 pm

Perhaps that old political game, of trying to marginalise by exaggerating the worst excesses, whilst still leaving the suggestion that it's typical of all who would associate with that name?

I say perhaps, as based on the precis, I felt no desire to read it.

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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Karen/NoCA » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:07 pm

I found that article to be over-written and not well thought out. I consider myself a "foodie" and as much as I hate lables, I love it when my friends introduce me as a foodie or epicure: a person devoted to refined sensuous enjoyment (especially good food and drink) .
A foodie to me simply means, a person who has a great interest in foods, of all kinds. Who takes pains to find the freshest food they can find, to give themselves and their family they best they can offer. It is a gift to provide those you love and care about with a well cooked and well thought out meal. A foodie cares about the earth and the food that is grown in it, cares about how the food is grown and prepared. Above all, a foodie is someone who loves to be in the kitchen, working with food, creating magic with ingredients, with the ultimate goal of presenting a great, meal. A true foodie also appreciates what others cook, no matter how simple or gourmet, because part of the enjoyment of food is being with those you care about.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Mark Lipton » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:19 am

Cynthia Wenslow wrote:I've never referred to myself that way, and nobody I know has called me that either, even though I seek out perfect ingredients and love it when I achieve sublime results.

Jessi Klein has an opinion about them.

You know who I’m talking about: people who take pride in fetishizing food. Fussy eaters who glorify the transformation of nutrition into fashion. Foodie culture. Foodie bloggers. People for whom the opening of a new Mario Batali restaurant spurs the same excited panting as a dose of Viagra.


Using her dubious definition, I wouldn't place myself in that camp, but I've referred to myself as foodie in conversation before. To me, foodies are those who put thought into what they eat and for whom food forms an important part of their day and, indeed, their life. As the old saw goes, there are those who live to eat and those who eat to live. The former group, IMO, are foodies. I have never, to my knowledge, fetishized food, having never photographed a dish or written anything terribly passionate about food or eating. Yet, when we travel, I am the one who plans which restaurants we will visit, and I am the one who plans out most of our meals at home.

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p.s. I too could not be bothered to read the article in question after reading the excerpts you provided.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Cynthia Wenslow » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:29 am

For those of you who didn't read it, and some of you who did, it was a humorous piece written by a comic.

Nevermind. :|
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Mike Filigenzi » Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:46 am

Stuart Yaniger wrote:She seems to like the sexual simile:

But I hate that foodies feel like every meal has to have the same wow-factor as their birthday blowjob.



Wait a minute. I seem to have been missing something on a number of birthdays.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Jo Ann Henderson » Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:54 am

She seems to have summed me up with the following quote:
I’m sick of the foodies who need every morsel that goes into their mouth to be a Picasso painting, a Giacometti sculpture, a Proust novel, evoking the world with each crumb. Foodies who need everything to be caramelized, sauteed in a blabla reduction, nested in a bed of shredded whatevers, served with a mushroom top hat and a julienne of leeks that have been knitted into a sequined scarf. It’s not that wonderful food doesn’t make me drool—I’m a bit of a St Bernard when I start thinking about cheese—it’s just the foodie chatter I can’t stand, the circle jerking in print and on an ever growing number of websites over this new place and that revamped old place, the obsessive fawning over such and such amuse-bouche, the kerfuffle over truffles.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Daniel Rogov » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:09 am

A cute read. I especially enjoyed the author's reference to birthday blowjobs (reminded me of a great many jokes about Jewish American Princesses) and circle jerks (an activity, alas, in which I never partook). My own take, somewhat contrary to hers appeared several years ago in an article printed in HaAretz, Le Monde, Figaro and the Journal de Geneve. And, as a point of interest with the exception of the use of the world in the title of Paul Barr's great little book, I detest the word "foodie"

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To reflect on gastronomy is to call to mind great chefs who have dedicated their lives to the preparation of fine food. It is also to think of the famous people for whom culinary inventions have been named and those restaurants that serve meals so superb they become a topic of conversation for many years. When it comes to thinking about great food however, most people give little or no credit to the gourmet.

Everybody praises great chefs and it is true that without them there would be no great dishes. Lives dedicated to the preparation of fine food need, however, to be matched by equal dedication in its consumption. As if to demonstrate that this indeed may be the best of all possible worlds, gastronomy has developed the gourmet, a distinct species of people who give priority in all human affairs to the discriminate enjoyment of food.

It would be difficult to find a more logical description of the gastronomic arts than that presented by the great 19th century chef, Antonin Careme. "Dining has much in common with painting and music. The painter, by richness of colors produces works that seduce the eye and the imagination; the musician, by the combination of his notes, produces harmony and the sense of hearing receives the sweetest sensations that melody can produce. Our culinary combinations are of the same nature. The gourmet's palate and sense of smell receive sensations similar to those of the connoisseurs of painting and music."

What Careme neglected to mention is that gastronomy is the most selfless art because it is, by definition, perishable. What the sculptor Tinguely accomplished with his self-destroying machines is achieved by every great chef every time one of his dishes is brought to the table. Its function is to be consumed. Gastronomy is also the most practical art because it is the only one upon which physical survival depends.

There are those who would denigrate the importance of gastronomy as a driving force in human events, but such people are simply uninformed. Anthropologists and sociologists concur, for example, that gastronomy ranks with all of the other arts as a means of discovering the culture of a nation or a people. Anthropologists rely on the dining habits of societies in order to define them. The kitchen utensils found at Herod's pleasure palace at Massada in the Judean Dessert, reveal hidden corners of Roman consciousness. An analysis of the amounts and types of space given over to cooking and dining in the excavations of the city of Jerusalem at the time of King David say much about the social habits, mores and taboos of the people who lived there.

The stomach absorbs culture as much as the mind or the eye. In fact, a team of anthropologists examining the buried remains of a French city twenty centuries from now would conclude that theirs was a society which applied as much method and energy to eating as to thinking. They would find, for example, that in 1990 four out of every ten shops in Paris and fifty five percent of all the industries in France were devoted to filling stomachs.

Even in the study of history, gastronomy plays a critical role. A history of the world could be written from the admittedly limited viewpoint of the intestinal tract. It would mention that at least one person sold his birthright for a "mess of porridge". It would also recall how, after Napoleon conquered Egypt, he dined on a garlic stew and then suffered an upset stomach. Thinking he had been poisoned, he decided to return to France and called off his plan to conquer Jerusalem.

To the gourmet, gastronomy is also part of the humanist vision. Human beings are members of a superior species because we are the only animals who cook our food and because we are capable of eating when we are not hungry. What could be more gratifying than the satisfaction of the palate and what act more social than that of sharing a meal?

Gourmets are people who give priority in human affairs to the pleasures that are to be gained from dining. This can, exceptionally, be combined with other activity. Indeed, the gourmet's tragedy is that some other activity is often necessary to allow him to fulfill his vocation. As literary critic Charles-Augustin Sainte-Beuve observed when bemoaning the fact that he had to earn a living: "But rejoice my little stomach, for all that I earn is yours".

It is true that gourmets tend to exaggerate a bit. To the true gourmet, art means Watteau's Embarquement pour Cythere which shows 18th century courtiers picnicking and Manet's Dejeuner sur l'Herbe Literature is James Joyce's short story, The Dead (in which the entire tale takes place around a sumptuously set table), Anatole France's description of the restaurant in Paris' Rue Vavin where the only dish was cassoulet, and Ernest Hemingway's description of the pommes de terre a l'huile that he ate at Brasserie Lipp. The wedding feast in Madame Bovary is more controversial, as discriminating diners have never forgive Flaubert for writing, in The Sentimental Education, that "bottles of wine were left to heat on the stove". Gourmets have a special place in their hearts for Chateaubriand, not so much for his poetry and diaries but because when he visited Dante's grave in Florence he plucked several laurel leaves which he carefully put into his pocket because "there is nothing better with macaroni".

Many consider Rabelais the first gourmet and, since 1522, when he listed sixty ways to cook an egg, there have been a dedicated band of men and women who have believed that everything important, from personal well being to the destiny of nations depends on what people are given to swallow and ingest. It is this band of hardy souls who have helped to keep up the standards of fine cuisine.

It is true that throughout the land fast-food outlets are multiplying beyond compare, but the situation of the gourmet is not so bad. So long as critics like Le Monde's Robert Courtine will enter a world-famous restaurant and give it bad marks because the tomatoes in his salad were not peeled or another critic makes a scene when his Crepes Suzettes are made with orange (instead of tangerine) peels, and as long as there are people who are genuinely afflicted by a bad meal and chefs who have nervous breakdowns over a sauce that curdles, the standards of fine cuisine are safe.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Linda R. (NC) » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:50 am

Mark Lipton wrote:To me, foodies are those who put thought into what they eat and for whom food forms an important part of their day and, indeed, their life. As the old saw goes, there are those who live to eat and those who eat to live. The former group, IMO, are foodies.


I like your definition better. It would place me squarely in the "foodie" category which most other definitions would not. I love good food no matter who prepares it, and I love it when my "food plan" comes together. However, I'm not one who makes complex dishes or ones that require a long list of exotic ingredients. Simple can be simply delicious.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Carrie L. » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:23 am

Cynthia, I really enjoyed the article. I actually think she is a good writer and laughed out loud a few times.
I am not one of the foodies she talkes about though. (At least MOSTLY, I'm not...) I'm like Linda in that sometimes the most simple preparations can be the best, especially if the ingredients are wonderful and fresh. I'm not particularly fond of dishes that are overly fussy, just for the sake of being so. That said, I will partake in creating dishes that are highly complicated, but only if I prejudge that the complications and extra time will be worth the outcome. Sometimes they are, and sometimes not.

Finally, I can enjoy a good dive as much, if not more than a five star restaurant. I think of my visit to Florida a few weeks ago. My first night there, Mom and Dad took me to Woody's, their favorite little "grab a bite" place. We sat one of the picnic tables, with the tide lapping at the seawall just a few feet away. Tacky, colored lanterns swaying in the breeze. A guy with a guitar crooning Jimmy Buffet tunes in the open air restaurant. Barefoot, end of summer lovers sharing some Coronas as the sun went down. And we, along with lots of other locals--were enjoying Buffalo wings, fried Grouper sandwiches and burgers.
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by Linda R. (NC) » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:35 am

Carrie L. wrote:Finally, I can enjoy a good dive as much, if not more than a five star restaurant. I think of my visit to Florida a few weeks ago. My first night there, Mom and Dad took me to Woody's, their favorite little "grab a bite" place. We sat one of the picnic tables, with the tide lapping at the seawall just a few feet away. Tacky, colored lanterns swaying in the breeze. A guy with a guitar crooning Jimmy Buffet tunes in the open air restaurant. Barefoot, end of summer lovers sharing some Coronas as the sun went down. And we, along with lots of other locals--were enjoying Buffalo wings, fried Grouper sandwiches and burgers.

Carrie, did you happen to be in St. Pete? We ate at a place called Woody's that fits that description. It was a great, fun place.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Carrie L. » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:39 am

Linda R. (NC) wrote:
Carrie L. wrote:Finally, I can enjoy a good dive as much, if not more than a five star restaurant. I think of my visit to Florida a few weeks ago. My first night there, Mom and Dad took me to Woody's, their favorite little "grab a bite" place. We sat one of the picnic tables, with the tide lapping at the seawall just a few feet away. Tacky, colored lanterns swaying in the breeze. A guy with a guitar crooning Jimmy Buffet tunes in the open air restaurant. Barefoot, end of summer lovers sharing some Coronas as the sun went down. And we, along with lots of other locals--were enjoying Buffalo wings, fried Grouper sandwiches and burgers.

Carrie, did you happen to be in St. Pete? We ate at a place called Woody's that fits that description. It was a great, fun place.


Yes! And that's where I grew up.
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by Linda R. (NC) » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:52 pm

Carrie L. wrote:
Linda R. (NC) wrote:
Carrie L. wrote:Finally, I can enjoy a good dive as much, if not more than a five star restaurant. I think of my visit to Florida a few weeks ago. My first night there, Mom and Dad took me to Woody's, their favorite little "grab a bite" place. We sat one of the picnic tables, with the tide lapping at the seawall just a few feet away. Tacky, colored lanterns swaying in the breeze. A guy with a guitar crooning Jimmy Buffet tunes in the open air restaurant. Barefoot, end of summer lovers sharing some Coronas as the sun went down. And we, along with lots of other locals--were enjoying Buffalo wings, fried Grouper sandwiches and burgers.

Carrie, did you happen to be in St. Pete? We ate at a place called Woody's that fits that description. It was a great, fun place.


Yes! And that's where I grew up.

Cool! We love the area and vacation there every fall. Lot's of great places to eat. Mexican at Agave, Cuban at Bella Habana, breakfast at Kenny's Korner just to name a few.

How do you like what they're doing with John's Pass? It's changed a lot since we first started going there in the early 90s.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Dave R » Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:06 pm

I’m sick of the foodies who need every morsel that goes into their mouth to be a Picasso painting, a Giacometti sculpture, a Proust novel, evoking the world with each crumb

I agree! But if you wrap that stuff in bacon I will eat it!

Seriously though, the author is confusing different issues.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Dale Williams » Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:35 pm

Some friends started jokingly calling me "Foodie" in the mid-90s (when I was single); I remember Lenore then being delighted and cutting out a section of the New Yorker when it used the term (although according to Wikipedia it originated in the 80s, it was first time she had seen it). I do care about food, but I seldom photograph food.:)
Generally I'm interested in trying new places and things, but don't think I'm picky. Every interest has some who are boors on the subject, whether it is food, music, politics, or sports.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Jenise » Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:38 pm

Rogov said:
I especially enjoyed the author's reference to birthday blowjobs (reminded me of a great many jokes about Jewish American Princesses)


Then you'll enjoy this true story: I was waiting for service at the take-out deli of a Gelson's market in Century City, Beverly Hills, a bastion of female Jewish shoppers. There was quite a line and when I wondered out loud how long this might take, the gentleman with me suggested that yelling "BLOW JOB!" would clear the place.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Daniel Rogov » Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:51 pm

I will NOT tell any of those jokes. I will NOT tell any of those jokes. I will NOT tell any of those jokes!!!! So help me, I will NOT!!!!!!!!
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by John Tomasso » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:03 pm

I didn't take the time to read the article, but I've never been fond of the label, "foodie."
I'm just a guy who likes to eat stuff that tastes good.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Jenise » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:06 pm

Carrie L. wrote:Finally, I can enjoy a good dive as much, if not more than a five star restaurant.


Loving a great dive is no disqualification as far as I'm concerned. I do too, especially if it's ethnic but even when it's not, and does almost every other legitimate 'foodie' I know. Great food doesn't require great service or million dollar decors, although that experience is wonderful too.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Rahsaan » Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:35 pm

I am also not a fan of the word 'foodie' and I never use it to describe myself.

Something about the 'ie' ending seems too dimunitive and cute for me to really get behind it.

But, individual indiosyncracies aside, I guess it applies to me.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Larry Greenly » Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:59 pm

Stuart Yaniger wrote:She seems to like the sexual simile:

But I hate that foodies feel like every meal has to have the same wow-factor as their birthday blowjob.


Plus, don't forget March 14.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Robert Reynolds » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:09 pm

Carrie L. wrote:Finally, I can enjoy a good dive as much, if not more than a five star restaurant. I think of my visit to Florida a few weeks ago. My first night there, Mom and Dad took me to Woody's, their favorite little "grab a bite" place. We sat one of the picnic tables, with the tide lapping at the seawall just a few feet away. Tacky, colored lanterns swaying in the breeze. A guy with a guitar crooning Jimmy Buffet tunes in the open air restaurant. Barefoot, end of summer lovers sharing some Coronas as the sun went down. And we, along with lots of other locals--were enjoying Buffalo wings, fried Grouper sandwiches and burgers.


Gail and I vacationed on Treasure Island this past July with my sisters and their kids. I have a Woody's sticker on the back window of my car now. :lol: I wanted to eat at Bella Habanas, but got outvoted. We did have Cuban sandwiches at the Floridian, and had fried grouper sandwiches at Frenchy's in Clearwater Beach. I love the area.
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Re: Foodie or Not?

by Stuart Yaniger » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:44 pm

Larry Greenly wrote:
Plus, don't forget March 14.


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