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Food (?) in Literature

by Bill Spohn » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:13 am

I guess one must have food on the mind to react to some things by thinking they sound like recipes.

I was recently looking up a quote in Macbeth (the Scottish Play :-) and came across the passage where they spoke of 'rump-fed ronyon' and thought "Hmmm, sounds interesting. Now I wonder how you'd be sure that the ronyons only came from an animal fed on rump.....

(Of course I've been given to flights of fancy when reading such words as "Draw thy tool. My naked weapon is out." from Romeo and Juliet, so maybe I am too given to read things into words.....) :oops:

You never know when a bit of the Bard (if you are given to barding) might come in handy, though. Next time you are making a sauce, remember "Froth and scum thou liest" (Merry Wives) before you skim it.

Have any of you other Shakespearean scholars found apt food quotations, or quotes that can be applied to food by warped minds. We could probably come up with a whole menu.....
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by Cynthia Wenslow » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:43 pm

Bill Spohn wrote:so maybe I am too given to read things into words.....


You wouldn't happen to be an attorney, would you, Bill? :wink:
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Re: Food (?) in Literature

by Shel T » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:13 pm

How about:
"'Tis an ill cook that cannot lick his own fingers", Romeo & Juliet
and:
"I'm a great eater of beef and I believe that does harm to my wit", Twelth Night

From my file on food-related quotes...makes it easier that way!
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Re: Food (?) in Literature

by Robin Garr » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:31 pm

Easy! Shakespeare's most innovative recipe boiled and bubbled in the witches' cauldron in Macbeth ...

"Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,--
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble."
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Re: Food (?) in Literature

by Daniel Rogov » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:36 pm

Considering that I've written two books and 300 somewhat odd columns about the relatioship between food and literature, I am clearly one of those people fascinated by the connection. Ulysses (Odysseus if we prefer) would have been a poor shadow of himself without all of those fantastic meals; Tom Jones would fade into oblivion without his feasts; Hemingway would have been a pauper had he not written so much about food and hunger; Samuel Pepys, etc, etc, etc, etc......

And yes, the vast majority of food references, especially in literature that we consider "classic" is related to sexual innuendo if not to out-and-out fornication.

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Re: Food (?) in Literature

by Robin Garr » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:38 pm

Can we segue from Shakespeare to the Bible? Deuteronomy is just full of recipes, albeit most of them pertaining to shalt-nots and interesting ways to offload your unclean stuff on the rubes.

"... And all winged insects are unclean for you; they shall not be eaten. You may eat any clean winged creature. You shall not eat anything that dies of itself; you may give it to aliens residing in your towns for them to eat, or you may sell it to a foreigner. For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk."
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by Jenise » Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:19 pm

Shel T wrote:"I'm a great eater of beef and I believe that does harm to my wit", Twelth Night



My husband belongs to a local neighborhood group dedicated to, ahem, leisure arts , called The Order of the Red Robe. That's a bathrobe, btw. Recently the members of the order all acquired red aprons with that same piece of Shakespearean humor on them.
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by Jenise » Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:24 pm

This is way off your track, Bill, but I'm going to insert it here nonetheless. Reading in TIME magazine last night about the great restaurant scene in Melbourne, Australia, one of the points made was how family-friendly even the toniest, serious foodie haunts are. By way of example, they mentioned a woman who saw her tiny twins playing in their sandbox and asked brightly, "Are those mudpies?" "No," replied one, "they're stuffed squash blossoms."
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by Bill Spohn » Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:24 pm

A few more:

"If music be the food of love, play on...."

"A man loves the meat in his youth that he cannot endure in his age."

And since some are heading off at tangents, from other authors:

"Never eat more than you can lift." (Miss Piggy)

"Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat." (Garfield)

"A cucumber should be well sliced, and dressed with pepper and vinegar, and then thrown out, as good for nothing." (Samuel Johnson ) (My feeling about zucchini)
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Re: Food (?) in Literature

by Daniel Rogov » Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:25 pm

Robin Garr wrote:"... And all winged insects are unclean for you; they shall not be eaten.


Not all. Locusts are considered a treat even by the most Orthodox North African Jews.

Simple enough to prepare. When the locusts swarm, coat the inside of an oven with honey. The locusts will flock to it. Close the door, turn up the heat to about 200 Celsius (400 Fahrenheit) until the locusts are crisp. Nothing more. The locusts are then eaten head, wings and all as crisp chips. Some serve them with generous salt sprinkled over. Others dip them into honey. Delicious either way.

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by Bob Ross » Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:55 pm

Some favorites:

“The rule is jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but never jam today.” —Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

Fair fa’ your honest, sonsie face,
Great chieftain o the puddin’-race!
Aboon them a’ ye tak your place,
Painch, tripe, or thairm:
Weel are ye wordy of a grace
As lang’s my arm.

—Robert Burns, “Address to a Haggis” [Recited once at top of my lungs to a group in Scotland; thunderous applause from the waitstaff. :)

“When from a long distant past nothing subsists, after the people are dead, after the things are broken and scattered, still, alone, more fragile, but with more vitality, more unsubstantial, more persistent, more faithful, the smell and taste of things remain poised for a long time, like souls, ready to remind us...” —Marcel Proust, Remembrance of Things Past

“I’m Frank Thompson, all the way from ‘down east.’ I’ve been through the mill, ground, and bolted, and come out a regular-built down-east johnny-cake, when it’s hot, damned good; but when it’s cold, damned sour and indigestible — and you’ll find me so.” —Richard Henry Dana, Two Years Before the Mast

“Well loved he garleek, oynons, and eek lekes. And for to drinken strong wyn, reed as blood.” —Geoffrey Chaucer, Canterbury Tales

“And Tom brought him chicken soup until he wanted to kill him. The lore has not died out of the world, and you will still find people who believe that soup will cure any hurt or illness and is no bad thing to have for the funeral either.” —John Steinbeck, East of Eden

Three nickels will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat. An old Jewish saying, according to Thomas Pellechia in his lovely little book on garlic, wine and olive oil.

“Huge lemons, cut in slices, would sink like setting suns into the dusky sea, softly illuminating it with their radiating membranes, and its clear, smooth surface aquiver from the rising bitter essence.” —Rainer Maria Rilke

“…and every Saturday we’d get a case of beer and fry up some fish. We’d fry it in meal and egg batter, you know, and when it was all brown and crisp — not hard, though — we’d break open that cold beer…” Marie’s eyes went soft as the memory of just such a meal sometime, somewhere transfixed her. —Toni Morrison, The Bluest Eye

I've got many more, but like these in particular because most came from a PBS special which has some great images; go to
http://www.pbs.org/opb/meaningoffood/fo ... ature/p12/
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by Robin Garr » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:36 pm

Daniel Rogov wrote:
Robin Garr wrote:"... And all winged insects are unclean for you; they shall not be eaten.


Not all. Locusts are considered a treat even by the most Orthodox North African Jews

Hey, I'm just quoting Deuteronomy! That verse didn't make no exceptions! Or maybe the recipe lost something in transition from Hebrew to Greek to the New Revised Standard Version?
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by Stuart Yaniger » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:39 pm

Leviticus 11:22.

Deut is just the Cliff's Notes version.
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by Gary Barlettano » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:24 pm

I've still got catsup stains from my undergraduate days in my edition of Goethe's "Faust: Part I". Part II I read in Germany and that piece of literature has curry sauce remnants on it. I also once used a lettuce leaf as a bookmark in Camus' "The Plague." Of course, this only reflected the inherent dualistic vegetable mortality.
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by Cynthia Wenslow » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:14 pm

Daniel Rogov wrote:Simple enough to prepare. When the locusts swarm, coat the inside of an oven with honey. The locusts will flock to it. Close the door, turn up the heat to about 200 Celsius (400 Fahrenheit) until the locusts are crisp.


Does the honey smoke? What does that do to the oven? Is it difficult to remove, or have the locusts eaten it all by then?
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by Daniel Rogov » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:03 am

Cynthia Wenslow wrote:Does the honey smoke? What does that do to the oven? Is it difficult to remove, or have the locusts eaten it all by then?


Cynthia, Hi....

I've never done it myself (not enough locusts swarming in Tel Aviv) but have seen it done in the Upper Galilee. Interestingly, at that temperature whatever honey is left by the locusts is caramelized by the heat and later chips off quite easily. As to smoke, indeed, but not a great deal and whether it is the honey or the locusts that are giving off the smoke I cannot say.

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by Jeff Grossman » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:16 am

Does the theme music to Attack of the Killer Tomatoes count? :)
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by Howie Hart » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:30 am

Ezekiel 4:9-13 (KJV)
Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof.

And thy meat which thou shalt eat shall be by weight, twenty shekels a day: from time to time shalt thou eat it.

Thou shalt drink also water by measure, the sixth part of an hin: from time to time shalt thou drink.

And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.
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by Robin Garr » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:49 am

Howie Hart wrote:Ezekiel 4:9-13 (KJV)

Howie, the folks who put together the New Standard Revised Version came up with a more modern English translation. For some reason, the key procedural phrase pops out at me in a way that King James's didn't ...

Ezek 4:9-13

And you, take wheat and barley, beans and lentils, millet and spelt; put them into one vessel, and make bread for yourself. During the number of days that you lie on your side, three hundred and ninety days, you shall eat it. The food that you eat shall be twenty shekels a day by weight; at fixed times you shall eat it. And you shall drink water by measure, one-sixth of a hin; at fixed times you shall drink. You shall eat it as a barley-cake, baking it in their sight on human dung. The Lord said, ‘Thus shall the people of Israel eat their bread, unclean, among the nations to which I will drive them.’

It was a different time, a simpler time ...
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by Bob Ross » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:22 am

Daniel Rogov wrote:Considering that I've written two books and 300 somewhat odd columns about the relationship between food and literature, I am clearly one of those people fascinated by the connection....
Best Rogov


Daniel, I've seen your Rogues, Writers & Whores: Dining With the Rich & Infamous (review in process for Amazon) and a couple of your books on Israeli wines, but haven't seen a second book. What's its title? Thanks, Bob
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by Paul Winalski » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:02 pm

"Rump-fed" is an Elizabethan colloquialism meaning "fat-bottomed". A "ronyon" is a mangy or scabby creature. "Fat-bottomed ratbag" might be a proper modern translation.

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Re: Food (?) in Literature

by Bill Spohn » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:18 pm

Paul Winalski wrote:"Rump-fed" is an Elizabethan colloquialism meaning "fat-bottomed". A "ronyon" is a mangy or scabby creature. "Fat-bottomed ratbag" might be a proper modern translation.


I was aware of that, but others may not have been, thanks, Paul.

It was the similarity of runyons to rognons (kidneys) that first put me on the food train of thought.
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by Bill Spohn » Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:20 pm

Bob Ross wrote: Writers & Whores


"Ah, but I repeat myself."
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(I know, slightly different context).
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by Daniel Rogov » Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:39 pm

Bob Ross wrote:
Daniel Rogov wrote:Daniel, I've seen your Rogues, Writers & Whores: Dining With the Rich & Infamous (review in process for Amazon) and a couple of your books on Israeli wines, but haven't seen a second book. What's its title?


Bob, Hi.....

The second book will be Volume II of Rogues, Writers and Whores, this one subtitled "Modern-Day Culinary Heroes and Anti-Heroes" The finished manuscript was just passed to my publisher about two weeks ago. The book is schedule for release for early spring 2009.

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