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by Jenise » Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:55 pm

So how did your garden fare this summer?

I have several losses to lament. One: my sage plant. For the last four years I have maintained a small four foot square garden space that contains a sage, a rosemary, an oregano, a thyme and a lavender. Three years ago I lost half the rosemary to a major snowfall, but the thyme and sage survived beautifully. Then last year, no major snowfall or severe cold spells, but I lost the thyme over the winter anyway. Through all that, the sage thrived and was a source of fresh herb all winter long, but over the last four-six weeks of our best summer weather it has turned yellow and died. It's not my garden--all the other plants are doing splendidly; in fact the rosemary whose recover was iffy last summer has rewarded my patience and is a healthy plant once again. Does sage have an automatic timer in it that prevents it from lasting more than four seasons? I'm crushed by this loss--it was magnificent, about two feet in diameter.

My bay leaf plant has dug in very very well. Along with Jo Ann's encouragement, a local friend named Linda told me about hers. Like me, she was also told that this plant is ever so 'tender' so she planted hers in a fairly exposed place she wouldn't have planted it had she thought it would last more than one season, but not only did it last it thrived and eight years in, it's quite a showstopper.

My two grape plants didn't do so well in that they didn't set fruit though there were some promising looking baby bunches that developed after the first bud, but I'm sure they needed all their energy for establishing a good root system and more will come next year.

But here's the saddest thing: my tomato plants are just spectacular, loaded with fruit and good sized fruit at that. But are we eating tomatoes? No. (I have to laugh because I have no idea what I have: though I bought two yellow, two early girls and two Joe's Specialty, I ended up with three plants with colossal, beefsteaky fruit, one plant that grows about 15 or 20 small pointy-bottomed red tomatoes that all ripen at about the same time off on three or four shoots off of one central stem, another that grows large and wide pointy bottomed red fruit, and two more about which the jury's still out. Could turn out to be yellow yet, but they don't look like last year's yellow tomatoes.) But the sad part is that it's been a cold summer and here we are at almost September 1st, and know how many ripe tomatoes I've harvested? Three. Well, three of the bigger ones. Also two stems of the pointy bottomed little ones, but they're so tasteless I deem them of no importance. Whereas the big beefsteaky ones are incredibly sweet with terrific acidity. How many more will I get? Well, as I type, it's almost 10 a.m., rainy and blustery, and only 55 degrees F outside. It was supposed to get to 62 today but it's already pretty obvious that won't happen. And the forecast is even more dire: by Sunday, the overnight temps are going to sink from the mid-50's to the mid-40's. My tomato season, which never really began, appears to be over. [crocodile tears]

I need sympathy.
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by Christina Georgina » Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:03 pm

You have my sympathy about your tomatoes but I think that this year is just not a good tomato year. Mine are just not ripening as they did last year and the nights are now cooling off. Had a fair number of zebras/brandywine/costolutos/sungolds but loads still on the plant. Some years are better than others for reasons
that escape me.
My Romano beans on the otherhand are the best ever with 1-11/2 inch wide pods, 12 inches long - thick, fleshy, tender and flavorful. Picking loads. Vining cucumbers and thin, long peppers - corno di toro - did very well also. Brussles sprouts ? Forget it. They look almost like they were just planted.
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by ChefJCarey » Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:11 pm

This is a rotten tomato year. Sun Golds are flourishing.Green zebras, Super beefsteaks etc. have all set fruit and some of it is quite large - and green.
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by Mark Lipton » Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:01 pm

Jenise wrote:

I have several losses to lament. One: my sage plant. For the last four years I have maintained a small four foot square garden space that contains a sage, a rosemary, an oregano, a thyme and a lavender. Three years ago I lost half the rosemary to a major snowfall, but the thyme and sage survived beautifully. Then last year, no major snowfall or severe cold spells, but I lost the thyme over the winter anyway. Through all that, the sage thrived and was a source of fresh herb all winter long, but over the last four-six weeks of our best summer weather it has turned yellow and died. It's not my garden--all the other plants are doing splendidly; in fact the rosemary whose recover was iffy last summer has rewarded my patience and is a healthy plant once again. Does sage have an automatic timer in it that prevents it from lasting more than four seasons? I'm crushed by this loss--it was magnificent, about two feet in diameter.


Nope. We've got a sage plant in our raised beds that is 10 years old if a day and is about 4' wide and 3' tall. (And we live in USDA Zone 5a, mind you). The thyme is somewhat cold hardy, but the basil, parsley and other herbs are annuals in these parts. Oh, except for the garlic chives.

My bay leaf plant has dug in very very well.


Bay laurel, or something different? That's just an odd way to refer to a tree.

But the sad part is that it's been a cold summer and here we are at almost September 1st, and know how many ripe tomatoes I've harvested? Three. Well, three of the bigger ones.


My sympathies, Jenise (good enough for ya?). It's been a coldish summer here, too, and our tomatoes and chili peppers are still trying to ripen. Good thing that our farmer's market is there to overcome our own deficiencies!

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by Jenise » Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:25 pm

Christina Georgina wrote:The surprise is always interesting even if the final outcome disappointing.


This is true. Although the tomatoes--I didn't know I could have both my best (quantity of fruit) and my worst (nothing ripens) tomato years in the same season! Can't get over feeling terribly cheated.
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by Jenise » Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:29 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:Nope. We've got a sage plant in our raised beds that is 10 years old if a day and is about 4' wide and 3' tall.


Can't imagine what happened to mine, then, but I'm glad yours thrives. I'm probably in about the same zone as you, although I have a bit of forgiveness from the marine angle.

Bay laurel, or something different? That's just an odd way to refer to a tree.


Bay laurel. It's just three feet high and not a tree yet. :)

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Yeah, thanks. I'm kind of surprised to learn that everyone else is having a poor year too. It's so much warmer down where Joseph is, and you and Christina and I are pretty far apart (though probably at similar latitude).
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by Robert J. » Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:56 pm

I moved in July and found a nice raised bed on my patio...full of prickly pear cacti. I yanked them all out and put in some purple fountain grass, jasmine, lavender, rosemary, and basil that I brought home from work and rooted in my window. I also got a few sticks of Vietnamese coriander that I just rooted and planted. Seeing as how we don't really get a winter down here they should all be fine for a while. We'll see what makes it through the winter. Everything has just about doubled in size since I planted it about a month ago.

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Oh, I also have a pineapple top rooting there in front.

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by John Tomasso » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:44 pm

We've got tomatoes on the vine, but they're taking their sweet time ripening. I'm hearing this from just about everyone.
Zucchini, OTOH, we've got coming out our..........well, we have a lot.

And I was thrilled with our home grown jalapenos - there was nice, pure flavor in them that I never find in store bought. I wish we'd planted more.
We got one nice shot of basil, cilantro and parsley, before they all went to seed.

I'm really mourning the loss of our almond tree. It uprooted itself in a fierce storm this winter, and this will be our first season in twenty without almonds from our own backyard. It was like losing a member of the family.
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by Karen/NoCA » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:04 pm

Jenise, my sage turns yellow and drops leaves every year. I cut it back in the spring just before it leafs out again. Our climate is cold in the winter so it does not last all year. It has been doing this for several years now and the trunk is rather thick. Same for lemon verbena. Remember that herbs do not like fertilizer and require no pampering, just water and sun. The small red pointy tomatoes that you have may be a paste tomato. If you roast them along with any other tomatoes that need to be used, you will get a nice thick sauce.

Look on Amazon for a book called 100 Heirloom Tomatoes for the American Garden by Carolyn J. Male. A fun book for looking at pictures and info. Another I own is the Heirloom Tomato Cookbook by Mimi Luebbermann. Great pictures and lots of recipes such as Black Brandywine Tomato Jam and Blue Cheese Bruschetta or Fried Green Tomato Caprese Salad with Marjoram Vinaigrette.
Do you grow Marjoram...it is excellent in tomato salads.

My tomatoes did terrible this year, but the Farmer's Market is loaded with them. However, I think most of them are growing a type of tomato that is beautiful and prolific, maybe a commercial type, as the taste this year is not that "blow your sockes off" taste that I love.
And the heirlooms are coming on but still not up to the taste of the ones I grew last year.
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by Karen/NoCA » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:08 pm

John, I was curious when you said your basil went to seed. They try to do that when the weather gets hot buy putting out a green shoot on the top that is sort of ruffled. I go out every week and trim my basil back from two to 6 inches or else it gets bitter and will bolt. I give the trimmings away to neighbors who love pesto. I'm not fond of it myself, so make very little.
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by Karen/NoCA » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:10 pm

And I was thrilled with our home grown jalapenos - there was nice, pure flavor in them that I never find in store bought. I wish we'd planted more.
We got one nice shot of basil, cilantro and parsley, before they all went to seed.


John, I was curious when you said your basil went to seed. They try to do that when the weather gets hot buy putting out a green shoot on the top that is sort of ruffled. I go out every week and trim my basil back from two to 6 inches or else it gets bitter and will bolt. I give the trimmings away to neighbors who love pesto. I'm not fond of it myself, so make very little.
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by Jenise » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:35 pm

Karen/NoCA wrote:John, I was curious when you said your basil went to seed. They try to do that when the weather gets hot buy putting out a green shoot on the top that is sort of ruffled. I go out every week and trim my basil back from two to 6 inches or else it gets bitter and will bolt. I give the trimmings away to neighbors who love pesto. I'm not fond of it myself, so make very little.


The hot sun down there must be like rocket fuel to basil--if I cut six inches off mine every week, I'd be down to stubs in two weeks. :)
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by Karen/NoCA » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:42 pm

Yea, the hot sun is like rocket fuel......fires everywhere. The basil grows very fast in my garden and gets bitter quickly if I do not prune every week.
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by John Tomasso » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:43 pm

I know everybody says to pinch off the tops before they flower, but that's so much WORK!

Truly, we had some hot days that just sent the plants into overdrive, and I couldn't keep up.

We did get several tasty batches of pesto out of them before they gave up the ghost.
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by Jo Ann Henderson » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:34 pm

Jenise, girl, say no more! I have very large tomato vines with lots of green fruit. I had to serve farm stand purchased heirloom tomatoes with that spectacular dinner I had a couple weeks ago. I had exactly 1 green zebra from my garden that was ripe enough to add interest to my tomato salad. I managed to get about 8 grape tomatoes to add to them. Since then -- NADA! The Cherokee Purple is about 6" taller than it was when I planted it. For some reason, it refuses to even grow -- what up with that?! I have a beautiful full trellis of green beans -- sans beans. Beautiful leaves though!! My sage did exactly as yours did, after 3 years of faithful herb production -- it bit the dust. Bought another! My tarragon decided to not make an appearance this year at all -- so, I had to replant. I bought a couple globe zucchini plants and to date I have managed to harvest exactly 1 (but there is one more promise on the way). It has been a very disappoint summer and the plants are showing their disgust, I'm sad to say. As for me, I am thoroughly PISSED. I mean, how much did I spend on compost and plants this year??? :evil: :evil:

BTW, have you harvested any leaves from your bay tree? Despite the spraying a couple months ago, the white fly is still plaguing mine! It is about 6 ft tall now, and just as wide. I really don't like eating from plants that I've sprayed -- although all the information says its safe after 7 days. I just don't trust it. I'm thinking about digging up my tree altogether. For the time being, I think I'll do a heavy prunning and cut it back to almost a twig for the winter. If it survives, I'll spray it once more in the early spring before any infestation and see what happens next summer. What a bummer. You are right, when the tree gets to be some size it is a stunner. The branches are also beautiful and fragrant in floral arrangements. The leaves get to be about 5" long sometimes and are a welcome addition to stews or a simple pot of rice that really makes having it worthwhile. SIGH! Oh, well. Who said gardening was easy? :(
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by Bill Spohn » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:07 pm

Jenise wrote:I need sympathy.


No, you just need a recipe for using green tomatoes!

As for the Rosemary, although you can find it growing pretty much wild when no one cares about it, it often seems to croak when you pander to it. In this climate I've found that you really need very sharp drainage, because having it sit with wet feet in our wet season (that's September to June for those not acquainted with this area) seems to be fatal.

If you don't have a raised bed with good drainage, try a plant under a large tree where it will get pretty dry conditions. If you have a big tree, that is.
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by Carl Eppig » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:31 pm

We stopped at a farmers' market and a farm stand today and the situation is dismal. Grapes and tomatoes in particular haven't rippened. Brandywine tomatoes specifically have done horribly. At this point we have two unrippened tomatoes on six vines! Last year we had a bumper crop. That's agriculture!
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by Karen/NoCA » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:38 pm

John Tomasso wrote:I know everybody says to pinch off the tops before they flower, but that's so much WORK!

Truly, we had some hot days that just sent the plants into overdrive, and I couldn't keep up.

We did get several tasty batches of pesto out of them before they gave up the ghost.


I don't pinch...I take my kitchen shears and go out and cut. It takes me about one minute to do each plant. I have two. Acturally if you cut back the two to 6 inches I posted earlier, you don't have to do it as much. Basil is just too darn good to let it bolt. Hey, I've even made bouquets from my cuttings of herbs. Wow, does the house smell good! :)
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by Lou Kessler » Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:18 pm

Jenise wrote:So how did your garden fare this summer?

I have several losses to lament. One: my sage plant. For the last four years I have maintained a small four foot square garden space that contains a sage, a rosemary, an oregano, a thyme and a lavender. Three years ago I lost half the rosemary to a major snowfall, but the thyme and sage survived beautifully. Then last year, no major snowfall or severe cold spells, but I lost the thyme over the winter anyway. Through all that, the sage thrived and was a source of fresh herb all winter long, but over the last four-six weeks of our best summer weather it has turned yellow and died. It's not my garden--all the other plants are doing splendidly; in fact the rosemary whose recover was iffy last summer has rewarded my patience and is a healthy plant once again. Does sage have an automatic timer in it that prevents it from lasting more than four seasons? I'm crushed by this loss--it was magnificent, about two feet in diameter.

My bay leaf plant has dug in very very well. Along with Jo Ann's encouragement, a local friend named Linda told me about hers. Like me, she was also told that this plant is ever so 'tender' so she planted hers in a fairly exposed place she wouldn't have planted it had she thought it would last more than one season, but not only did it last it thrived and eight years in, it's quite a showstopper.

My two grape plants didn't do so well in that they didn't set fruit though there were some promising looking baby bunches that developed after the first bud, but I'm sure they needed all their energy for establishing a good root system and more will come next year.

But here's the saddest thing: my tomato plants are just spectacular, loaded with fruit and good sized fruit at that. But are we eating tomatoes? No. (I have to laugh because I have no idea what I have: though I bought two yellow, two early girls and two Joe's Specialty, I ended up with three plants with colossal, beefsteaky fruit, one plant that grows about 15 or 20 small pointy-bottomed red tomatoes that all ripen at about the same time off on three or four shoots off of one central stem, another that grows large and wide pointy bottomed red fruit, and two more about which the jury's still out. Could turn out to be yellow yet, but they don't look like last year's yellow tomatoes.) But the sad part is that it's been a cold summer and here we are at almost September 1st, and know how many ripe tomatoes I've harvested? Three. Well, three of the bigger ones. Also two stems of the pointy bottomed little ones, but they're so tasteless I deem them of no importance. Whereas the big beefsteaky ones are incredibly sweet with terrific acidity. How many more will I get? Well, as I type, it's almost 10 a.m., rainy and blustery, and only 55 degrees F outside. It was supposed to get to 62 today but it's already pretty obvious that won't happen. And the forecast is even more dire: by Sunday, the overnight temps are going to sink from the mid-50's to the mid-40's. My tomato season, which never really began, appears to be over. [crocodile tears]

I need sympathy.

You have my sympathy and if you can get by here in the next few days you can pick a bucket of tomatoes, free of charge. It was in the high 90's here yesterday, today is over a 100. It looks like too many tomatoes will ripen at once and we'll have to give some away. If you send us some cooler weather, we'll send you some tomatoes. Deal? :roll:
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by Martin Barz » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:17 pm

Why not make tomato jam?! :lol:

Here is a recipy from Mr. Bitten/NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/dining/20mini.html
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by Martin Barz » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:24 pm

I have an own garden since a few months and I hope that my green tomatoes will be red in the next few weeks.
Arugula harvest was great, the first product from my garden. The herbs are also developing nicely and the pumpkin will be maybe
ready for Halloween. We will see..........

It is such a great feeling to have an own garden. BTW, it is quite difficult here around Berlin, as the earth is very sandy. But we used good dung/fertilizer or
as my wife said "Viagra", therefore the roses, tomato, herbs, lavendel etc. looks good.

I will publish some photos in the coming days.........

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by Bill Spohn » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:37 pm

Martin Barz wrote: But we used good dung/fertilizer or
as my wife said "Viagra", therefore the roses, tomato, herbs, lavendel etc. looks good.


Adds a bit of 'wood' to the roses, does it Martin.... :mrgreen:


It IS a great feeling to be able to eat your own produce and if I didn't have all I can handle with the garden as it is, I'd certainly grow more than just the herbs I currently cultivate.

Come to think of it, I really should put in some tomatos in large pots on my patio next year - the heat is concentrated and as long as the watering is kept up and you fertilise the heck out of them, the results can be gratifying.
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by Martin Barz » Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:37 pm

:lol:

Bill, tomato plants grow very fast! And with good tomatoes you could do so many things in the kitchen.........
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