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Sweet Basil over population

by Karen/NoCA » Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:21 pm

Every year I plant several varieties of this herb. I use it for salads, all colors and flavors to enhance all the beautiful and colorful tomato salads I love to make. Now it is August and I must trim them every two weeks because they want to flower. If they do, the basil becomes bitter. Today I trimmed a huge amount. I called around to my usual takers and found that they all planted their own basil this year! "We loved your basil so much, we decided to plant our own!" they said.
So, I bunched it all together and made a lovely bouquet with some rosemary stems, a few garlic chive flowers, and some lemon verbena. Since I dislike basil pesto as it is traditionally made, what else does one do with large amounts?
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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Robert J. » Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:41 pm

I'm finding that basil simple syrup is nice to have around. It's great for Basil Lemonade or Basil Mimosas.

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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Jeff Grossman » Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:33 pm

Well, if pesto is out, then, um, er, ah, hm.

Use it to make smoke for smoked salmon?
Basil jelly?
Pistou?
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by David M. Bueker » Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:56 am

Karen - make my favorite pizza. The toppings are as follow: a light application of sauce, a layer of baby spinach, a layer (yes a layer) of fresh basil, cheese, then spread fresh garlic and pine nuts on top of the cheese. Bake. Yum.
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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Larry Greenly » Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:44 am

My cuz gave me some fresh basil and I made the Thai dish, chicken with fresh basil. I got a thumbs up from my rib.
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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Carl Eppig » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:15 am

For a long time now we have been following Paula Wolfert's (Mediterranean Cooking) advice for freezing pesto. You leave out the cheese, garlic, and salt and freeze in one or two cup plastic containers. Add the missing ingredients when warming it back up. We put up twenty half pints one summer and enjoyed it all winter.
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by Greg H » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:58 am

Carl Eppig wrote:For a long time now we have been following Paula Wolfert's (Mediterranean Cooking) advice for freezing pesto. You leave out the cheese, garlic, and salt and freeze in one or two cup plastic containers. Add the missing ingredients when warming it back up. We put up twenty half pints one summer and enjoyed it all winter.


That is what I do, but came to it on my own. I freeze it in small quantities and use it in a variety of ways, sometimes as a sauce for pasta, after I add the additional ingredients, but more often as a way to provide some of the brightness of summer to a dish.
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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Randy P » Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:04 pm

You can hang them up and dry them, then crumble and jar them. Much better than what you can buy. -RP
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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Mark Lipton » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:54 pm

Larry Greenly wrote:My cuz gave me some fresh basil and I made the Thai dish, chicken with fresh basil. I got a thumbs up from my rib.


Larry, this is a truly geeky comment, but if the dish you were making was Gkai Pad Gkaprow (or anything that looks close to that transliteration), it's classic Bangkok street fare and is made with ground chicken meat. The taste isn't that different from a version that uses sliced chicken meat, but the texture is quite different. And the basil should really be Holy Basil (bai gkaprow), which has a spicier flavor.

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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Mark Lipton » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:58 pm

Karen,
What about basil oil? I don't know how much you could use in a year, but it makes a nice dip for bread, among other things. It's very easy: blanch the leaves for 10 sec, rinse under cold water, puree in a blender with half as much olive oil.

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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Larry Greenly » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:09 am

Mark Lipton wrote:
Larry Greenly wrote:My cuz gave me some fresh basil and I made the Thai dish, chicken with fresh basil. I got a thumbs up from my rib.


Larry, this is a truly geeky comment, but if the dish you were making was Gkai Pad Gkaprow (or anything that looks close to that transliteration), it's classic Bangkok street fare and is made with ground chicken meat. The taste isn't that different from a version that uses sliced chicken meat, but the texture is quite different. And the basil should really be Holy Basil (bai gkaprow), which has a spicier flavor.

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What I made was stir-fried chicken with basil leaves, using sliced chicken, to duplicate my favorite Thai restaurant recipe, which doesn't use ground chicken. My cuz didn't grow holy basil nor did I this year, so in the unpedantic spirit of making lemonade out of lemons, I used whatever kind it was. And it was still good.


Thai Chicken with Basil (adapted from a Martin Yan recipe)

3/4 lb boneless, skinned chicken breast
salt and pepper
2 Tbs oil
3 cloves garlic, thinly sliced
1 scallion, thinly sliced
4 fresh Thai chiles, seeded and thinly sliced (I used Thai Dragon chiles, but others should work)
1 onion, ends cut off, halved lengthwise, and cut into thin wedges lengthwise
1/4 cup chicken stock
1 cup fresh basil leaves (I used cinnamon basil, but any kind should work)
1 Tbs fish sauce
1 Tbs dark soy sauce
2 tsp palm sugar

Thinly slice chicken; season with s&p.

Heat oil in wok. Add garlic, scallion, and onion. Stir fry for about a minute.

Add chicken, stir fry about 3 minutes until done. Add chiles and stock; cook 2 minutes. Add basil, fish sauce, soy sauce, palm sugar. Cook for another minute. Serve with rice (I used Thai basmati).
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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Mark Lipton » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:14 pm

Larry Greenly wrote:
What I made was stir-fried chicken with basil leaves, using sliced chicken, to duplicate my favorite Thai restaurant recipe, which doesn't use ground chicken. My cuz didn't grow holy basil nor did I this year, so in the unpedantic spirit of making lemonade out of lemons, I used whatever kind it was. And it was still good.


Yeah, holy basil can be tough to find. I haven't seen it for sale since leaving CA. It's got almost no scent before cooking, but really develops a great flavor with cooking.


Thai Chicken with Basil (adapted from a Martin Yan recipe)

3/4 lb boneless, skinned chicken breast
salt and pepper
2 Tbs oil
3 cloves garlic, thinly sliced
1 scallion, thinly sliced
4 fresh Thai chiles, seeded and thinly sliced (I used Thai Dragon chiles, but others should work)
1 onion, ends cut off, halved lengthwise, and cut into thin wedges lengthwise
1/4 cup chicken stock
1 cup fresh basil leaves (I used cinnamon basil, but any kind should work)
1 Tbs fish sauce
1 Tbs dark soy sauce
2 tsp palm sugar

Thinly slice chicken; season with s&p.

Heat oil in wok. Add garlic, scallion, and onion. Stir fry for about a minute.

Add chicken, stir fry about 3 minutes until done. Add chiles and stock; cook 2 minutes. Add basil, fish sauce, soy sauce, palm sugar. Cook for another minute. Serve with rice (I used Thai basmati).


Good sounding recipe, Larry, and quite close to the one I use. (Yan can cook, as they say) My version uses about 3 times the amount of garlic, shallots instead of onions and more Thai chilies. The chile I prefer is what the Thai call prik kee noo: Image

which in my experience taste a bit different from the Thai dragon peppers I've grown. To me, Thai dragon have a cayenne-like sharpness to them, whereas prik kee noo are closer in flavor to a serrano.

My version also uses finely chopped kaffir lime leaves and no scallion or palm sugar (I find the cooking in many Thai restaurants too sweet for my tastes). If you'd like to see a full recipe, let me know and I'll copy it when I'm at home. You really should try ground chicken some time in your recipe to see how it changes the dish, or ground pork or almost any meat or fish. Thai people love this dish and eat it at any time of day.

Happy cooking!
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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Larry Greenly » Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:09 pm

The palm sugar adds a certain smoothness. I vary the type of dried chile, depending on which jar I first grab.

Sure, post your recipe and I'll take a looksee.
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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Mark Lipton » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:54 pm

Here it is, Larry (sorry for the delay)

Thai Spicy Basil Chicken (Gkai Pad Gka-prow)
2 T peanut oil
10-12 cloves garlic, finely chopped
2-3 shallots, thinly sliced
1 lb. boneless chicken thighs, ground if possible, else cut into small bite-size pieces
12-20 small Thai chilies (prik kee noo), cut into very thin rounds, or substitute 4-6 serrano peppers
2 small kaffir lime leaves (bai ma-gkrood), very finely slivered (optional)
2 tsp black soy sauce (the semi-sweet kind)
2 T fish sauce (nam bplah)
1 cup fresh Thai holy basil (bai gka-prow), or Thai sweet basil (bai horapa) leaves and flower buds
Dash of ground white pepper

Heat a wok to smoking hot, coat inside with oil, add garlic, then shallots and stir fry to 15-20 sec before adding chicken. Stir fry 1 (ground) to 2 (chopped) min. Add chilies and lime leaves, sprinkle mixture with soy sauce and stir fry another 15-20 sec. Add fish sauce and basil and continue stir frying for 1/2 to 1 min, until basil is wilted and chicken is fully cooked. Sprinkle with white pepper and serve.

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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Larry Greenly » Sat Aug 16, 2008 6:21 pm

Thanks. Will give it a try.
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by Mark Lipton » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:38 am

Larry Greenly wrote:Thanks. Will give it a try.


If you hate it, I'll PM you my address for sending the brickbats. :mrgreen:

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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Jo Ann Henderson » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:14 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:
Larry Greenly wrote:My cuz gave me some fresh basil and I made the Thai dish, chicken with fresh basil. I got a thumbs up from my rib.


Larry, this is a truly geeky comment, but if the dish you were making was Gkai Pad Gkaprow (or anything that looks close to that transliteration), it's classic Bangkok street fare and is made with ground chicken meat. The taste isn't that different from a version that uses sliced chicken meat, but the texture is quite different. And the basil should really be Holy Basil (bai gkaprow), which has a spicier flavor.

Pedantically yours,
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You are right on the money, Mark. This is one of my favorite Thai dishes. But, it MUST be made with holy basil. There is little similarity with sweet basil. And the meat should be ground or finely diced.
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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Leanne S » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:02 pm

My basil got away from me! It's all flowering! Does this mean I can't eat it, or are there some dishes that are better than others for using post-flowering basil?
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by Mark Lipton » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:44 pm

Leanne S wrote:My basil got away from me! It's all flowering! Does this mean I can't eat it, or are there some dishes that are better than others for using post-flowering basil?


After it bolts, it gets quite bitter and loses most of its aromaticity. If it hasn't been too long, you could try aggressively pruning it and see if that helps.

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by Thomas » Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:16 am

Karen/NoCA wrote:Every year I plant several varieties of this herb. I use it for salads, all colors and flavors to enhance all the beautiful and colorful tomato salads I love to make. Now it is August and I must trim them every two weeks because they want to flower. If they do, the basil becomes bitter. Today I trimmed a huge amount. I called around to my usual takers and found that they all planted their own basil this year! "We loved your basil so much, we decided to plant our own!" they said.
So, I bunched it all together and made a lovely bouquet with some rosemary stems, a few garlic chive flowers, and some lemon verbena. Since I dislike basil pesto as it is traditionally made, what else does one do with large amounts?


I blend basil leaves with olive oil and then freeze them in ice cube trays. All winter long, I have basil infused olive oil with which to cook whenever I choose. Some of the cubes get little chunks of my fresh cayenne peppers to spice it up. Plus, I have the base to prepare pesto however I want it prepared.
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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Thomas » Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:17 am

Mark Lipton wrote:
Leanne S wrote:My basil got away from me! It's all flowering! Does this mean I can't eat it, or are there some dishes that are better than others for using post-flowering basil?


After it bolts, it gets quite bitter and loses most of its aromaticity. If it hasn't been too long, you could try aggressively pruning it and see if that helps.

Mark Lipton


Mark's correct: at that point, it's best to eat the flowers in salads.

Basil is a fast flowering plant. You've got to check it daily.
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Re: Sweet Basil over population

by Mike Filigenzi » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:00 pm

They won't take care of much of your basil (unless you have a hell of a party) but the gin-basil lemon drop is a very nice way to get rid of a few excess leaves. This was served to us by one of the better bartenders in Sacto.

1/2 oz fresh lemon juice
1/2 oz.. cointreau or triple sec
2 oz. gin (I used Tanquerey)
5 or 6 fresh basil leaves

Put it all in a shaker with ice. Shake violently and well. Strain into a chilled martini glass. Garnish with lemon twist or lemon wheel. If the basil's too strong or too weak, drink that one and adjust for the next one. Experiment more as necessary.
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