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Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Mike Filigenzi
Known for his fashionable hair
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 pm
Sacramento, CA
Hoke wrote:
It's fascinating, as a "coach" to see the people progress through these stages, and to watch lights start shining in people's eyes. Most people don't normally think all that much about their foods, interestingly enough.
Dave R wrote:Rahsaan,
If you ever get to Chicago be sure to check out Moto. I'll bet it would be right up your alley.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Mike Filigenzi wrote:Hoke wrote:
It's fascinating, as a "coach" to see the people progress through these stages, and to watch lights start shining in people's eyes. Most people don't normally think all that much about their foods, interestingly enough.
So wait a minute. If these people aren't thinking of food, then what do they think about?
Hoke wrote:Only one one/thousandth (and try saying that out loud) of what you experience isn't crap?
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Mark Willstatter wrote:Hoke wrote:Only one one/thousandth (and try saying that out loud) of what you experience isn't crap?
Writing on behalf of my fellow numerically-minded pedants, I'd like to point out this isn't entirely accurate; what Rahsaan said was that only one one-millionth of what you experience isn't crap
Mike Filigenzi
Known for his fashionable hair
8187
Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 pm
Sacramento, CA
Hoke wrote:Mike Filigenzi wrote:Hoke wrote:
It's fascinating, as a "coach" to see the people progress through these stages, and to watch lights start shining in people's eyes. Most people don't normally think all that much about their foods, interestingly enough.
So wait a minute. If these people aren't thinking of food, then what do they think about?
I didn't say they weren't thinking about food---I said they weren't thinking about foodS.
Most people, in most circumstances, aren't thinking on the conscious level about the constituents, or effects, of the foods they are eating. Mostly, they're responding on the sensory (feeling) level only, and not the conscious thought level. It's more like the "Mmm, this is good" than the analytic reflection of what why it's good, and what goes into making it good.
In your cocktail zone, for instance: you are somewhat unusual in that you actually pay attention to the tastes you're getting when you sip a cocktail (as in,whether it is a brandy old fashion (sweeter, mellower, less vanilla/butterscotch) or a whiskey old fashion (more oak effect, more oak, more of a bite from the grain blend) in your drink. And you go beyond that to try to parse how much and what kind of bitters were used. And how watery it is.
Most people don't do that. Most people respond with a positive or a negative---but curiously (to me, anyway) they seldom bother to think about the WHY of a a positive or negative. Food is often the same way for people like this. They are recipients of something that is produced. As recipients, they either like or don't like. Versus chefs (and mixologists, and wine geeks), who actually occupy brain cells with considering what is making up what they're tasting.
And while I'm ranting, I'll just keep on going.
One of the probs with this culture---and I'm often as much to blame as the great unwashed masses out there, I'm ashamed to admit---is that we are often NOT thinking about the food we eat when we're eating it. I have a terrible habit of eating while I am reading (my worst), surfing the internet, watching tv, etc. But then eating becomes a secondary, supportive and unconscious act. And yeah, although its changing, that's still one of the differences between Euro habits and American habits, sadly.
Bernard Roth wrote:I also think April is harsh on deconstruction. When you look at the top restaurants and chefs that attract the "foodie" crowd, these chefs are providing an intellectual and not just visceral experience. These are not the places one goes just to eat. Deconstruction is a technical step in the analysis of food to help the chef and diner understand what the components are and how they work together add up to more than the sum of the parts.
In lesser hands, deconstruction stops being analytic and it becomes pure method. Easy to go astray, so I understand April's problem with this becoming faddish.
GeoC rightly admonishes "Black Angus", which is simply corporate branding. But Organic is not generally being proffered as better (quality or healthier). It is extra information that helps many consumers make environmentally ethical choices in what they eat. There is probably a weak correlation between organic products and freshness from local sourcing, but my sampling is limited to a handful of American regions where local organic products tend to be featured on local menus. I do not think we should begrudge restaurateurs for informing their customers of their preference for organic when possible.
Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
Daniel Rogov wrote:
All something akin to making love, n'est ce pas vrai? Fortunately, I only rarely dine and make love simultaneously.
Bill Spohn
He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
Vancouver BC
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