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Jenise
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
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Paul Winalski
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Jenise
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
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Jenise wrote:Karen, your description rings a big bell--we both grew up on the same version of tamale pie, it was a recipe that appeared in one of the ladies' magazines of the time. Ground beef, canned tomatoes, canned black olives, big pieces of onion and green bell pepper thickened with corn meal. I remember, thru the lens of a child's simple palate, loving it but am fairly certain I wouldn't love it today--or at least I'd see a dozen ways it could be improved.
Jenise
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
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Paul Winalski
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Jenise wrote:Tonight I'm makung a choucroute garnie. I have enough to feed 18, but am only inviting six over. We'll be eating it for days and it will be years before I want to see this dish again.
Jenise
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
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Paul Winalski wrote:Jenise wrote:Tonight I'm makung a choucroute garnie. I have enough to feed 18, but am only inviting six over. We'll be eating it for days and it will be years before I want to see this dish again.
I only ever had choucroute garnie once--at a seafood place in Marseill. "How can you eat out in Marseille and not have bouillabaisse," asked my dining companions. "Because I hate fish and seafood," I replied. When the plate containing the single order of choucroute garnie arrived, I was immediately reminded of the title of the B. Kliban cartoon book: "Never Eat Anything Bigger than Your Head". The portion was enormous, and indeed bigger than my head. We all made a good dent in it. It was absolutely delicious.
I also learned that night not to drink Alsatian marc de gewurztraminer. It tasted fine but the headache the next day brought on by that one small glass was horrific.
-Paul W.
Paul Winalski
Wok Wielder
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Jenise wrote: I didn't realize that you didn't like seafood, though in retrospect I can't remember you ever posting anything about it. Some childhood trauma involved in that?
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
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For the sea cucumber dish the yield was 8 Chinese servings, 64 Western servings.
Jenise
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
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Jenise wrote:Also clam chowder, until the time I had one made with whole clams which I couldn't help but realize included the brains, heart and reproductive organs of an entire being, and that pretty much ended everything to do with me and mollusks of any type.
Paul Winalski
Wok Wielder
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Jeff Grossman wrote:Bivalves don't have brains or reproductive organs.
Paul Winalski
Wok Wielder
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Jenise
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Paul Winalski
Wok Wielder
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Larry Greenly
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Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:37 am
Albuquerque, NM
Paul Winalski wrote:The dark bits and little sacs are the clam's digestive organs--the equivalent of our stomach and intestines. They are my objection to genuine fried clams. Clams, oysters, and mussels are filter-feeders. They take in water through their siphons as a source of both food and oxygen. Particulate matter is filtered out and shunted to the gut organs before the water is passed through the gills and then out the other tube of the siphon. Because clams live buried in sand, some sand inevitably gets in the gut. If you leave the clams for a few hours in sea water, they will expel the sand, but I've found that whole fried clams usually still have some grit, and I don't like that. Howard Johnson's fried clams were actually fried clam strips cut from the muscle of large quahog clams--stomach never included. Hence not as gritty, but for fried clam aficionados, eating them was like chewing on breaded rubber bands.
-Paul W.
Paul Winalski wrote:Bivalves most certainly do have reproductive organs--how else do you think you get new bivalves? But they're not identifiable anatomically except by experts.
They have neural ganglia, but not organized as a recognizable "brain".
They use hemocyanin rather than hemoglobin to transport oxygen in their circulatory systems, hence their "blood" is a pale, watery blue.
Paul Winalski wrote:If you leave the clams for a few hours in sea water, they will expel the sand, but I've found that whole fried clams usually still have some grit, and I don't like that.
Howard Johnson's fried clams were actually fried clam strips cut from the muscle of large quahog clams--stomach never included. Hence not as gritty, but for fried clam aficionados, eating them was like chewing on breaded rubber bands.
Paul Winalski
Wok Wielder
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Jeff Grossman wrote:Paul Winalski wrote:Bivalves most certainly do have reproductive organs--how else do you think you get new bivalves? But they're not identifiable anatomically except by experts.
They have tissues that shed eggs and sperm but it's not at all Tab A in Slot B: the female releases eggs into water in an inner chamber, while the male releases sperm into the sea nearby; she siphons it up -- yup, into the same tube as her breathing and her eating -- and directs the flow accordingly. This does not meet my criterion for sex.
Paul Winalski
Wok Wielder
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Paul Winalski wrote:Jenise, if you feel that way about eating molluscs, I assume ortolan is off your menu.
-Paul W
Paul Winalski wrote:My apologies, Jeff. Light dawns over Marblehead--I now realize what you meant by "reproductive organs" is what I call "copulation organs". You're right--bivalves don't have those. Some gastropods do--particularly land snails and slugs. Land arthropods such as insects and arachnids do. Annelid worms do. Among chordates, I think only the amniotes (reptiles, mammals birds) have them.
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