Cornbread!!!

That may be a new record. I don't think that I ever made it to afternoon before without somebody calling me soulless!

Actually, I was talking about Karen. I don't recall your soul coming into the discussion.

I have a big hypodermic with which I inject my soul here and there - sorta willy-nilly.

Okay, Robin and I have been back and forthing about cornbread, and he thinks it's okay to add sugar. Might as well eat angel food cake with your meal! True deep South cooks know that sugar is what Yankees add to ruin it. For that matter, Joseph has a recipe he claims everyone loves that has a sort of custard layer in the middle.

SNORT!

Good cornbread is made in a heated cast iron skillet. The batter has few ingredients, none of which are sugar. It is not cakelike. It is coarse and semi-dense and moist. If you want sweet, some Southerners will pour molasses over a slice.

AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!

NO SUGAR IN CORNBREAD! Even Emeril - a reformed Yankee - knows that true cornbread does not contain sugar. It's as heretical a notion as putting beans in Cowboy's chili.

Honey is also ok to pour over it later, but never in it. And the best is made with bacon drippings, like my Grandma made it.

I make chili with and without beans. Chili with beans is much more nutritional.

NO SUGAR IN CORNBREAD! Even Emeril - a reformed Yankee - knows that true cornbread does not contain sugar. It's as heretical a notion as putting beans in Cowboy's chili.

Honey is also ok to pour over it later, but never in it. And the best is made with bacon drippings, like my Grandma made it.

Spot on, Robert!

Karen, that very cornbread issue is a bone of contention between my Okie wife and I.

Karen, that very cornbread issue is a bone of contention between my Okie wife and I.

Well, there's cornbread, and then there's cake ...

I make chili with and without beans. Chili with beans is much more nutritional.

You're trying to start with me, aren't you? <g> I actually prefer chili with beans, myself. I have this great recipe I know you'd love. It's for Taco Soup, and it's made with Hidden Valley dry ranch dressing mix and Lawry's Taco Seasoning mix. It has canned corn and a couple of kinds of canned beans. Ground beef, of course! Talk about over the top nutritional and tasty! Recipe upon request!

I make chili with and without beans. Chili with beans is much more nutritional.

You're trying to start with me, aren't you? <g> I actually prefer chili with beans, myself. I have this great recipe I know you'd love. It's for Taco Soup, and it's made with Hidden Valley dry ranch dressing mix and Lawry's Taco Seasoning mix. It has canned corn and a couple of kinds of canned beans. Ground beef, of course! Talk about over the top nutritional and tasty! Recipe upon request!

I do have a request related to that recipe, but I've gotten in trouble for using adult language here before.

I do have a request related to that recipe, but I've gotten in trouble for using adult language here before.

Ah, but you've never tasted Taco Soup! It's really delightful. I'm not kidding. Serve it with some non-sugared buttermilk cornbread (preferably Mexican cornbread with jalapenos and onions and a can of corn), and you have yourself a great winter meal. Sure you don't want the recipe?

[Robin Garr]

Sure you don't want the recipe?

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It only annoys you, and irritates the pig." -- Mark Twain

I found your father's cornbread recipe, and Debbie's! I'll post them later today under a new RCP heading. They look aaaawwwwesome! Even with no sugar.

Jo Ann,

Well! We must agree to disagree! NO SUGAR IN CORNBREAD! <g>

First, it's no beans in chili; now it's no sugar in cornbread. What's with all the proscriptions? I'll cook my food any damn way I want to.

I used to hear the same sugar vs no sugar cornbread argument from an Alabaman. She tried mine and liked it, but she would never make it that way because "she was from the South." I tried hers, and I wouldn't make hers because it didn't taste good (it tasted metallic). I add a little sugar to my cornbread, and--don't forget--we won the war.

For heaven's sake, keep this thread as a classic! It's one of the least informative, most controversial and absolutely delightful ever posted anywhere!!!!!

Rogov (who never made but adores cornbread)

I do have a request related to that recipe, but I've gotten in trouble for using adult language here before.

Ah, but you've never tasted Taco Soup! It's really delightful. I'm not kidding. Serve it with some non-sugared buttermilk cornbread (preferably Mexican cornbread with jalapenos and onions and a can of corn), and you have yourself a great winter meal. Sure you don't want the recipe?

Sure, but I'll have to adapt it. I don't have any Lawry's - but I have flour, chili powder, salt onion, cumin, onion, (I'll have to substitute fresh for dried), sugar , salt and oregano.

And I don't have any canned beans, but I can use dried, cook them, and add about five time as much salt as I would normally use.

And I don't have any Hidden Valley Ranch Dressing, but I could make some mayonnaise and get some real buttermilk from my local organic farm and add some MSG and high fructose corn syrup to the mix.

And then there's the ground beef. If I don't want to pony up the loot for the local naturally raised stuff, I'll have to use something from a supermarket from a Concentrated (or Confined) Animal Feeding Operation and ingest unwanted hormones, antibiotics, and , possibly, several diseases bred on the feedlots.

Damn, this sounds like a lot of work! I think I'm too lazy - and too poor - to make this recipe!

Except for the canned corn, the cornbread sounds great.

What's with all the proscriptions? I'll cook my food any damn way I want to.

EXACTLY!!

I used to hear the same sugar vs no sugar cornbread argument from an Alabaman. She tried mine and liked it, but she would never make it that way because "she was from the South."

"I'm from the South" is the same kind of statement as "I'm a Christian". It allows you to get away with eccentric behavior, which you practice without giving much thought to its practical application (like cutting the ends off the roast), allows you to stay stuck in convention when confronted with a prefectly reasonable alternative, without unnnecessary further explanation. I am both, and I have never understood this line of thinking (if you can call it thinking). Very Curious! Huh!

(like cutting the ends off the roast)

Love that story!

I have this great recipe I know you'd love. It's for Taco Soup, and it's made with Hidden Valley dry ranch dressing mix and Lawry's Taco Seasoning mix. It has canned corn and a couple of kinds of canned beans. Ground beef, of course! Talk about over the top nutritional and tasty! Recipe upon request!

That sounds like something I was going to post on April 1st this year.

[Robin Garr]

That sounds like something I was going to post on April 1st this year.

Whenever you talk to my pal Karen, watch very carefully - you can't always tell when tongue is in cheek ... or when somebody is being tweaked.

That sounds like something I was going to post on April 1st this year.

Whenever you talk to my pal Karen, watch very carefully - you can't always tell when tongue is in cheek ... or when somebody is being tweaked.

And I did not assume otherwise.

It's for Taco Soup, and it's made with Hidden Valley dry ranch dressing mix and Lawry's Taco Seasoning mix. It has canned corn and a couple of kinds of canned beans. Ground beef, of course! Talk about over the top nutritional and tasty! Recipe upon request!

Karen, consider the request made. We are having winter again here in the Ohio valley this weekend and Taco soup sounds like a dish that would warm me up some.

It's for Taco Soup, and it's made with Hidden Valley dry ranch dressing mix and Lawry's Taco Seasoning mix. It has canned corn and a couple of kinds of canned beans. Ground beef, of course! Talk about over the top nutritional and tasty! Recipe upon request!

Karen, consider the request made. We are having winter again here in the Ohio valley this weekend and Taco soup sounds like a dish that would warm me up some.

Bob, thanks for the request! I thought noone would ever ask.

Here goes:

TACO SOUP

2 pounds hamburger meat
1 onion, chopped
2 cans (14.5 ounces each) tomatoes, diced (Muir Glen is good)
1 can Rotel tomatoes
1 package Hidden Valley Buttermilk Dressing Mix
1 package taco seasoning (any brand)
1 can Trappey's Pinto Beans with Jalapeno peppers, or any brand with jalapenos
1 can Trappey's Pinto Beans
1 can shoe peg corn
Brown hamburger meat and onions. Drain off fat. Add remaining ingredients and cook 30 minutes or longer. The longer it is simmered, the better it becomes.

Serves 8 - 10

I'll bet Joseph can't wait to try it!!

Jo Ann,

Well! We must agree to disagree! NO SUGAR IN CORNBREAD! <g>

First, it's no beans in chili; now it's no sugar in cornbread. What's with all the proscriptions? I'll cook my food any damn way I want to.

I used to hear the same sugar vs no sugar cornbread argument from an Alabaman. She tried mine and liked it, but she would never make it that way because "she was from the South." I tried hers, and I wouldn't make hers because it didn't taste good (it tasted metallic). I add a little sugar to my cornbread, and--don't forget--we won the war.

Larry, HAHAHAHA!!! I'm 100% with you about cooking any damn way I want to!

Oh, and beans aren't allowed in competition chili. True chili is just meat and sauce. However, I like beans (and other stuff) in mine at home.

What's with all the proscriptions? I'll cook my food any damn way I want to.

EXACTLY!!

I used to hear the same sugar vs no sugar cornbread argument from an Alabaman. She tried mine and liked it, but she would never make it that way because "she was from the South."

"I'm from the South" is the same kind of statement as "I'm a Christian". It allows you to get away with eccentric behavior, which you practice without giving much thought to its practical application (like cutting the ends off the roast), allows you to stay stuck in convention when confronted with a prefectly reasonable alternative, without unnnecessary further explanation. I am both, and I have never understood this line of thinking (if you can call it thinking). Very Curious! Huh!

Jo Ann, just call me iggerant!

Sure, but I'll have to adapt it. I don't have any Lawry's - but I have flour, chili powder, salt onion, cumin, onion, (I'll have to substitute fresh for dried), sugar , salt and oregano.

And I don't have any canned beans, but I can use dried, cook them, and add about five time as much salt as I would normally use.

And I don't have any Hidden Valley Ranch Dressing, but I could make some mayonnaise and get some real buttermilk from my local organic farm and add some MSG and high fructose corn syrup to the mix.

And then there's the ground beef. If I don't want to pony up the loot for the local naturally raised stuff, I'll have to use something from a supermarket from a Concentrated (or Confined) Animal Feeding Operation and ingest unwanted hormones, antibiotics, and , possibly, several diseases bred on the feedlots.

Damn, this sounds like a lot of work! I think I'm too lazy - and too poor - to make this recipe!

Except for the canned corn, the cornbread sounds great.

Well, you'd really screw it up with homemade dressing. It calls for dry mix. Now what score would you give one of your students for this major faux pas?

Jo Ann, just call me iggerant!

I make it a practice to never call someone out of their name, Karen. Besides, how (n)iggerant could you be -- you take the chance to put beans in your (non)true chili!