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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Jenise » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:42 pm

John Tomasso wrote:The truth is, we rarely ate mac n' cheese in our house. Rather, my mom would make "macaroni pie" which was made with whichever shapes needed using up.
The half cooked macaroni (this was before we started calling it pasta) was mixed with seasoned ricotta cheese and an egg to bind it, and fried. When it firmed up, it was turned out onto a plate, and slid back into the pan to finish the other side. To serve, it was cut into wedges and eaten out of hand.



Wow, that sounds great--if I'd grown up at your house, I'd have LOVED macaroni and cheese.
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Jenise » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:52 pm

Bob Ross wrote:There are recipes for mac and cheese back in the 1600s, but this one from 1788 sounds pretty good even today. Source: The English Art of Cookery, According to the Present Practice: Being a Complete Guide to All Housekeepers, on a Plan Entirely New; Consisting of Thirty-eight Chapters By Richard Briggs, Pre-1801 Imprint Collection (Library of Congress) Published by Printed for G. G. J. and J. Robinson, 1788


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Have to say, though, the second of those two recipes sounds quite daft: a total of 40 minutes cooking time for 4 ounces of pasta? This is why English cooking has such a bad name!

The first is much more interesting, and a style of macaroni and cheese I haven't made. I did actually once watch my soon-to-be MIL assemble a macaroni and cheese. It was the fist I'd ever seen made from scratch, and she made it becuase they were visiting and Bob had been put on the spot to name some item of her cooking that he missed. The truthful answer was "none"--she was a terrible cook--but unable to be so honest he said 'macaroni and cheese' so that's what she made for dinner. And she made it in this fashion--combining liquid dairy product, cheese and cooked macaroni and sending that into the oven to bake--but she used low fat milk and cheap, mild supermarket cheddar. Oh my god, it was so awful--and worse, it scared the heck out of me that my brand new beloved (we'd been dating exactly two weeks at this point, but we were already talking 'forever') thought this was great cooking! All the versions I've made since involved making a cheese sauce first, and combining that with yet more cheese and the barely cooked pasta.
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Jenise » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:55 pm

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Petite and dainty, that would be me.


Yeah, you and Chuck Norris. :)
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Linda R. (NC) » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:26 pm

While we're on the subject of mac & cheese, here is my recipe. I wanted one that was baked. My husband and I both wanted one that was creamy. So far, I hadn't been able to make a decent "white sauce" which I knew to be the base for the cheese sauce. When I finally succeeded with the sauce, here is what I came up with.

Mac & Cheese (Linda’s version)

1½ TB flour
1½ TB butter
1 cup milk
1 cup grated cheese
2 TB minced shallots (optional)
Salt & pepper to taste
4 oz. macaroni, cooked to package directions

Melt butter over medium heat. Sauté the shallots, if using, until tender. Add flour and whisk to combine and cook for 1-2 minutes. Add milk and whisk until combined and smooth. Bring to a low boil and cook, stirring constantly until it thickens. Add cheese and stir until cheese is melted. Mix the sauce with the macaroni and put in baking dish.

Bread crumb topping:

1 tsp. butter
dry bread crumbs and parmesan cheese (optional) to equal about 1/3 cup

Melt butter in glass dish or measuring cup. Add bread crumbs and cheese, and mix thoroughly. Sprinkle over mac & cheese and bake at 350 for about 20-25 minutes or until golden.

Serves 2 with leftovers.
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Mike Filigenzi » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:31 pm

Steven Noess wrote:I use cavatappi (which I think is the what Stuart is thinking of?).


The cellentani are very similar to cavatappi, with the exception of being ridged for our pleasure.
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Cynthia Wenslow » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:00 pm

Linda R. (NC) wrote:Serves 2 with leftovers.


Not at our house! :D
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Linda R. (NC) » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:13 pm

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Linda R. (NC) wrote:Serves 2 with leftovers.


Not at our house! :D

Not here either if I ate as much as I'd like.
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Hoke » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:40 pm

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Steven Noess wrote:I use cavatappi (which I think is the what Stuart is thinking of?).


The cellentani are very similar to cavatappi, with the exception of being ridged for our pleasure.


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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Stuart Yaniger » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:56 pm

The half cooked macaroni (this was before we started calling it pasta) was mixed with seasoned ricotta cheese and an egg to bind it, and fried. When it firmed up, it was turned out onto a plate, and slid back into the pan to finish the other side. To serve, it was cut into wedges and eaten out of hand.


We had the same thing, only it was called lukshen kugel.
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Dave R » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:14 pm

Mike Filigenzi wrote: ...with the exception of being ridged for our pleasure.


:lol:
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Frank Deis » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:22 pm

Mac and cheese can taste pretty good as comfort food.

But the right ingredients can push it over the edge into "gourmet."

I've seen versions that utilize foie gras, and when I see topics like this one cropping up I think of Max Hauser who has occasionally shown up to discuss those variations.

Then again the pasta shape probably has little to do with all that.

I had one bag of artisanal pasta that looked like perfect little cocks-combs. Someone told me that if your Italian vocabulary was large enough you'd recognize that the name of the pasta was also the name of some obscure veneral disease (!?)

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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Hoke » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:33 pm

My favorite pasta, for the name only, is strozzapreti. Means 'priest strangler', supposedly made from scraps and pieces rolled into little knotty strings, with the hopes of satisfying the priest that drops in and wants to be fed.
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Dave R » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:35 pm

Frank Deis wrote:
But the right ingredients can push it over the edge into "gourmet."

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That is a restaurant trend here. Chefs gussy up their mac 'n cheese by adding such things like lobster, truffles or a brioche topping.
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Jenise » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:26 pm

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Linda R. (NC) wrote:Serves 2 with leftovers.


Not at our house! :D


That's what I was going to say. Two ounces of pasta is an appetizer. :)
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Jenise » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:29 pm

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Mike Filigenzi wrote: ...with the exception of being ridged for our pleasure.


:lol:


Only Mike can throw out comments like that and still seem so innocent!
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Jenise » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:32 pm

Hoke wrote: with the hopes of satisfying the priest that drops in and wants to be fed.


Satisfying? I thought it was more like discouraging...once and for all!
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Jenise » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:35 pm

Frank Deis wrote:But the right ingredients can push it over the edge into "gourmet."


Absolutely, including simply the choice of cheese(s). I like mine riddled with parmesan and garlic, though this weekend I skipped the latter for fear it would taste metallic to Bob's cold.

I've seen versions that utilize foie gras


Now THAT would be interesting. Probably the most exotic thing I've added is lobster, but I didn't actually consider that the best use of either--I'd have rather had a cheese-only casserole and the lobster as a cocktail and earlier course.

Someone told me that if your Italian vocabulary was large enough you'd recognize that the name of the pasta was also the name of some obscure veneral disease (!?)

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Mike Filigenzi doesn't speak Italian and he can do that. :)
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Bob Ross » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:30 pm

Jenise wrote:
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Bob, great to see you!

Have to say, though, the second of those two recipes sounds quite daft: a total of 40 minutes cooking time for 4 ounces of pasta? This is why English cooking has such a bad name!


Thanks Jenise. Great story about your MIL. Janet roared with laughter; her mother made mac and cheese exactly that way and it took me over three years before she would even try my version. In a way I was lucky. My mother only made five or six edible dishes, but her mac and cheese was magnificent.

I wondered about Isaac Burney Yeo's recipe, Jenise, and I had a couple of thoughts when I posted it as is.

First, Yeo was a famous surgeon and doctor in London, not a cook, and came up with a number of interesting ideas on nutrition, including the first recorded low carb diet.

Second, I wondered if macaroni was somewhat different from what we now have. Note that the first 20 minutes are at a low boil -- = simmer? -- and the second 20 minutes was only until the stock was absorbed. So I thought perhaps that might really be similar to a recipe that boils the present macaroni until al dente -- say eight minutes for current elbow pasta -- and then baking for 25 minutes or so at 350 F.

What I did wonder about was why the two steps? Why not simmer in stock until the liquid was absorbed?

In any event, I had the same questions you did, and decided to let Yeo speak for himself. :)
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Bonnie in Holland » Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:52 am

I always use Delverde tortiglioni. It's thick and spiraled, so it holds and soaks up the sauce well but it also makes the pasta gratin a bit airy-er. I like that better than when the pasta is all packed down into the sauce and makes a solid carbo layer. Here's a photo of the package:
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And lately I've been making souffled macaroni and cheese a la Delia Smith, using the tortiglioni instead of macaroni and creme fraiche in place of mascarpone and making a couple of other tweaks sometimes (like putting a layer of flaked canned salmon in the middle and subbing the left-over canned salmon juice for part of the milk, in which case I skip the nutmeg). Here it is:

SOUFFLED MACARONI AND CHEESE

Ingredients
6 oz (175 g) macaroni
3 oz (75 g) mascarpone
2 oz (50 g) Gruyère, finely grated
2 oz (50 g) Parmesan (Parmigiano Reggiano), finely grated
1 oz (25 g) butter
1 medium onion (about 4 oz/110 g), peeled and finely chopped
1 oz (25 g) plain flour
10 fl oz (275 ml) milk
¼ whole nutmeg, freshly grated
2 large egg yolks, lightly beaten and 2 large egg whites
salt and freshly milled black pepper


Pre-heat the oven to gas mark 6, 400°F (200°C).

You will also need a shallow ovenproof baking dish with a base measurement of 8 x 6 inches (20 x 15 cm), 2 inches (5 cm) deep, lightly buttered.

Begin by having all your ingredients weighed out and the cheeses grated. Fill a large saucepan with 4 pints (2.25 litres) of water containing a level dessertspoon of salt and put it on the heat to bring it up to the boil. Then, in a small saucepan, melt the butter over a gentle heat, add the onions and let them soften, without browning and uncovered, for 5 minutes. Then add the flour to the pan, stir it in to make a smooth paste, then gradually add the milk, a little at a time, stirring vigorously with a wooden spoon. Then switch to a balloon whisk and keep whisking so you have a smooth sauce. Then add some salt and freshly milled black pepper, as well as the nutmeg, and leave the sauce to cook gently for 5 minutes. After that, turn off the heat and whisk in the mascarpone and egg yolks, followed by the Gruyère and half the Parmesan.

Next place the baking dish in the oven to heat through, then drop the macaroni into the boiling water and, as soon as the water returns to a simmer, give it 4-6 minutes, until al dente (it's going to get a second cooking in the oven). When it has about 1 minute's cooking time left, whisk the egg whites to soft peaks. Drain the pasta in a colander, give it a quick shake to get rid of the water, then tip it back into the pan and stir in the cheese sauce, turning the pasta over in it so it is evenly coated. Then lightly fold in the egg whites, using a cutting and folding movement so as to retain as much air as possible.

Remove the warm dish from the oven, pour the pasta mixture (very gently) into it (or better yet, spoon the pasta into the dish), even the top, then scatter the reserved Parmesan over and return the dish to the oven on a high shelf for 12 minutes or until the top is puffy and lightly browned. Serve immediately.

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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by ChefJCarey » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:44 am

When I make this dish I use a Mornay sauce. You can melt any cheese in there you like.

I have a little wrinkle,though. Something we do a lot in restaurants. We don't make a straight Bechamel (which the Mornay calls for), but rather a combination of a Bechamel and Veloute - half and half. Much more flavor complexity. I usually use chicken stock for the Veloute.

I guess it's a Velamel or a Bechoute.
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by Leslie D. » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:56 am

Another vote for Cavatappi (oddly, some brands nickname this shape Scoobi Doos, maybe just a Canadian thing).

Do most of you top your Macaroni and Cheese with crumbs? I never have but came across a recipe for a Curry Crunch topping and think it sounds good enough to try.

http://lcbo.com/lcbo-ear/RecipeControll ... cipeType=1
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Cynthia Wenslow » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:35 pm

Leslie D. wrote:Do most of you top your Macaroni and Cheese with crumbs?


Nope, never.
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by Jenise » Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:17 pm

Leslie D. wrote:Another vote for Cavatappi (oddly, some brands nickname this shape Scoobi Doos, maybe just a Canadian thing).

Do most of you top your Macaroni and Cheese with crumbs?
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Re: Best pasta shape for mac n' cheese?

by ChefJCarey » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:18 pm

Leslie D. wrote:Another vote for Cavatappi (oddly, some brands nickname this shape Scoobi Doos, maybe just a Canadian thing).

Do most of you top your Macaroni and Cheese with crumbs? I never have but came across a recipe for a Curry Crunch topping and think it sounds good enough to try.

http://lcbo.com/lcbo-ear/RecipeControll ... cipeType=1


Just a layer of the same cheese I used in the sauce. Sometimes with a little Reggiano in there, too.
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