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In Praise of food in Florida

by Jenise » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:55 pm

Spent the weekend at the opposite end of the United States. In Palm Beach, Florida, to be exact. Had two GREAT meals. The first was sushi involving all kinds of fish I've never had in sushi before: blue marlin, wahoo, escolar and conch. Also had uni and hamachi (my favorite sushi fish, bar none, so the perfect thing to include as a benchmark for comparison). Found the wahoo very bland in both taste and texture, but loved the other three, especially the escolar, which is beautifully pearl-white and exceptionally creamy to bite through. It's right up there with my beloved hamachi.

Not a surprise since escolar cooked, the only way I've been familiar with it, has a texture like pound cake. Dense but a fork just slides through it anywhere--you don't have that sensation of distinct thick layers like you do with all other members of the tuna family that I know. Used to be able to buy fresh escolar at a Bristol Farms in Southern California sometimes, but only sometimes because they told me it didn't sell well due to it causing gastric distress in some people. I never had any problem with it, just pure love, but nonetheless that factoid is probably the reason it never occurred to me to eat it raw.

And the other was a great pastrami sandwich at Ben's Deli. The pastrami was some of the best I've had. Less fatty than some without being too lean, mildly salted and mildly smokey with good pepper spice. The rye bread was disappointing though. I'm sure that the bread part wouldn't matter to many, that it's all about the meat, but for me that's not true. This rye was fairly industrial--seeded but no corn meal--and not crusty. Totally lacked the character of the denser, very crusty and coarse corn-meal studded rye of the Jerry's deli chain in Southern California that I always drag home a loaf of. Ben's bread didn't even tempt me. Good deli is nonexistent so far as I know in the Pacific Northwest. A chain that's more a NY style sandwich shop than a real kosher deli per se recently moved to town that they claim is original to New York, but the meats have the heavy flavor of preservatives and artificial flavorings, and though not bad it's no substitute for the real thing to someone who cares about that difference. Which I do.

Must throw in a shout-out for a deli lunch the same day that you make a long flight home. A pastrami and six pickles to go will drive your fellow passengers wild with desire at dinner time while they settle for a $7 cheese and cracker packet. :)
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Daniel Rogov » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:41 pm

Jenise, Hi....

Agreed with you about flights. If my own flight is less than 6 hours, I simply wait until landing to find the restaurant of my choice (regardless of the hour). If more than 6 hours on a tourist-class flight I'll always bring a good sandwich or two with me, that most often made at home before I leave for the airport.

My only exceptions to dining on airplane food are first class in Air France or first or business class with Singapore air. Truth is, the food on Singapore Air is simple but excellent even in tourist class and outstanding in business and first.

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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Rahsaan » Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:26 pm

Daniel Rogov wrote:If my own flight is less than 6 hours, I simply wait until landing to find the restaurant of my choice (regardless of the hour). If more than 6 hours on a tourist-class flight I'll always bring a good sandwich or two with me, that most often made at home before I leave for the airport.


Yes, but with all the time required to get through the airport, security, etc, even short flights end up conflicting with my regular meal schedule! So I always bring some sort of food and am extremely hesitant to eat airport food or (god forbid) airplane food.

One time I was flying from London to Nyc right after one of the terrorist attacks/threats and they were being extremely strict about carryons. They made me dump my hummus, bread, tomato salad, fruit, etc, right in front of my eyes. I can still hear the tomatoes plopping into the security trashcan! But, luckily that was with Virgin and the food was not half bad. I even enjoyed the chocolate mousse for dessert that actually tasted like chocolate. Nevertheless, in subsequent flights with Virgin I still brought my own food...
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by David M. Bueker » Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:38 pm

I do have to say that my one first class flight on Air France included a truly memorable meal, especially the cheese cart (yes, cart) and '97 Suduiraut.
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Salil » Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:41 pm

Daniel Rogov wrote:My only exceptions to dining on airplane food are first class in Air France or first or business class with Singapore air. Truth is, the food on Singapore Air is simple but excellent even in tourist class and outstanding in business and first.

Agreed on SIA - the food there is always very good. Jet Airways and Cathay Pacific are also very solid for in-flight dining.
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Carl Eppig » Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:43 pm

Jenise wrote:Found the wahoo very bland in both taste and texture,


How fresh was it? We've had some excellent wahoo or ono as they call it west of you. It does have to be fresh though. When we were baby sitting Vietnamese refugees on Wake Island when I was in the service, we used to take the island ligher around the island fishing. We would take ono from the ocean to the grill. Fantastic.
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Jenise » Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:06 pm

Daniel Rogov wrote:Jenise, Hi....

Agreed with you about flights. If my own flight is less than 6 hours, I simply wait until landing to find the restaurant of my choice (regardless of the hour). If more than 6 hours on a tourist-class flight I'll always bring a good sandwich or two with me, that most often made at home before I leave for the airport.


I'm with Rahsaan--impressed that you go that long without eating since here, anyways, since one has to report to the airport fairly early and then of course some time has elapsed since one left home. Makes too long a day without food so taking food on board is my only defense against starvation, unhealthy food or eating too late. Besides, on a long flight, having a meal even if it's something you brought yourself is entertainment of a sort. That's why my carry-on on all my flights home from Los Angeles, though it's only a 2.5 hour flight, includes a bag from Jerry's Deli. :)
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Jenise » Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:11 pm

Carl Eppig wrote:
Jenise wrote:Found the wahoo very bland in both taste and texture,


How fresh was it? We've had some excellent wahoo or ono as they call it west of you. It does have to be fresh though. When we were baby sitting Vietnamese refugees on Wake Island when I was in the service, we used to take the island ligher around the island fishing. We would take ono from the ocean to the grill. Fantastic.


Carl, I presume it was very fresh, though of course I don't know for sure. It didn't taste strong or off in any way. Did not know, btw, that wahoo = ono. Ono is one of my favorites.

But lucky you, catching it fresh! I can understand how good it was--best fish I've ever had in my life was a piece of albacore from a fish off a boat that had just come in loaded while I was staying with friends on a large boat and just leaving for the market to get something for dinner. The guys on the boat just handed me one. And even though it was 'just' albacore, that it was THAT fresh made it better than almost anything I've eaten since.
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Daniel Rogov » Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:05 pm

Jenise, Hi....

Especially here in Israel one has to be quite early at the airport. Fortunately there are some good cafes at Ben Gurion and of course, there are always the business and first class lounges at which one can "prepare" for the trip ahead. Even in Europe and the USA when at airports (as to opposed to on airplanes), I seek out decent food.

Found some good seafood at Logan Airport in Boston, at the Atlanta airport and others

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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Rahsaan » Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:27 pm

Jenise wrote:Besides, on a long flight, having a meal even if it's something you brought yourself is entertainment of a sort...


I agree. One of my favorite parts of long flights is bringing all sort of fun snacks to cheer myself up and make myself forget that I'm crammed into Economy seating! :wink:

Also because I don't usually eat a lot of snacks during the day, so it makes the trip 'special'. Of course I usually overdo it, especially since I'm burning even fewer calories than usual by sitting on the airplane. Luckily I only take a couple of these long (in this case Transatlantic) flights per year.
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Jenise » Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:30 pm

Daniel Rogov wrote:Jenise, Hi....

Especially here in Israel one has to be quite early at the airport. Fortunately there are some good cafes at Ben Gurion and of course, there are always the business and first class lounges at which one can "prepare" for the trip ahead. Even in Europe and the USA when at airports (as to opposed to on airplanes), I seek out decent food.

Found some good seafood at Logan Airport in Boston, at the Atlanta airport and others

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Atlanta? I'm surprised to hear that. We went to both Atlanta and Miami last year a few weeks apart, and the experiences combined to make us SO grateful for SeaTac where, beyond the Security line and centrally located within a reasonable distance of all gates, there are several quite reasonable options and even a place that makes healthy burritos we look forward to having. In ATL and MIA, we found nothing--at least nothing that wasn't fried/junk food. Los Angeles is also quite poor. The new D Terminal at Dallas Fort Worth we used on Monday was, on the other hand, quite impressive. I was almost sorry we weren't hungry!
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Carl Eppig » Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:00 pm

Jenise wrote:Ono is one of my favorites.


In that case there must have been something seriously wrong with the wahoo you had in FL; either the storage or preparation.
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Lou Kessler » Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:35 pm

Daniel Rogov wrote:Jenise, Hi....

Agreed with you about flights. If my own flight is less than 6 hours, I simply wait until landing to find the restaurant of my choice (regardless of the hour). If more than 6 hours on a tourist-class flight I'll always bring a good sandwich or two with me, that most often made at home before I leave for the airport.

My only exceptions to dining on airplane food are first class in Air France or first or business class with Singapore air. Truth is, the food on Singapore Air is simple but excellent even in tourist class and outstanding in business and first.

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Rogov

We flew Singapore business class to the far East a couple of years ago, it put to shame business or first class on American or United. Acually made flying enjoyable. :D
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Paul Winalski » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:10 pm

I had a very tasty meal (laksa) at the international terminal at Sydney, Australia, on my way back to the USA.

On the other hand, in my experience both of Paris's international airports (Charles de Gaulle and Orly) are absolute dumps, as airports go. The two worst I've ever been at.

The worst airport I've visited for food was Las Vegas. When the best restaurant you can find is Chili's, you know you've hit the bottom.

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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Rahsaan » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:57 pm

Paul Winalski wrote:On the other hand, in my experience both of Paris's international airports (Charles de Gaulle and Orly) are absolute dumps, as airports go. The two worst I've ever been at..


You must not have been to many airports! They can get a lot worse.
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by Jeff Grossman » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:22 am

Rahsaan wrote:You must not have been to many airports! They can get a lot worse.

Indeed. Actually, Logan Airport is my #1 choice for an airport to be swallowed up by a volcano opening under it.
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Rahsaan » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:38 am

Jeff Grossman/NYC wrote:
Rahsaan wrote:You must not have been to many airports! They can get a lot worse.

Indeed. Actually, Logan Airport is my #1 choice for an airport to be swallowed up by a volcano opening under it.


The international hall is not bad. But the domestic areas are pure torture.
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by Daniel Rogov » Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:53 am

Paul Winalski wrote:On the other hand, in my experience both of Paris's international airports (Charles de Gaulle and Orly) are absolute dumps, as airports go. The two worst I've ever been at.
-Paul W.


True that the places selling food Charles de Gaulle are abysmal (even the coffee is bad) but once in the departure lounge at the international side one can go to one of the cheese shops, purchase however many grams good Normandy butter and of the cheeses of one's hoice one wants, walk next door to one of the bake shops and purchase a well made baguette, to take a place at a table at the upstairs lounge/waiting room and there to make the sandwich of one's choice. And if time allows, a quickie visit to one of the wine shops (never, never to buy anything expensive there) to purchase a simple bottle of Cotes du Rhone to go with the sandwich.

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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Jo Ann Henderson » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:11 am

Ya know, I am definitely associating with the wrong class of people! Singapore Air? Air France? First Class?! :mrgreen:
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Hoke » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:29 pm

Since people are listing abysmal airports: Frankfurt.

But to balance it out, I loved the new Munich airport.
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Carl Eppig » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:30 pm

Jo Ann Henderson wrote:Ya know, I am definitely associating with the wrong class of people! Singapore Air? Air France? First Class?! :mrgreen:


Amen Jo Ann.
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Jenise » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:43 pm

Paul Winalski wrote:The worst airport I've visited for food was Las Vegas. When the best restaurant you can find is Chili's, you know you've hit the bottom.

-Paul W.


I have no love for Chilis, but at least it's a restaurant where you can sit down and get served. Most of the terminals at LAX don't even have that!
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Lou Kessler » Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:49 pm

Jo Ann Henderson wrote:Ya know, I am definitely associating with the wrong class of people! Singapore Air? Air France? First Class?! :mrgreen:

We have on occasions of longer flights upgraded to business class by using our mileage, plus everything we buy is on our mileage credit card which we pay off each month. I would like to be in an income bracket to shell out for first class tickets each time I fly. The major airlines have over the years have even made this procedure much more difficult.
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Re: In Praise of food in Florida

by Salil » Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:08 pm

Hoke wrote:Since people are listing abysmal airports: Frankfurt.

The duty free shops there have tons of Robert Weil Riesling. I can tolerate them a little.

(And compared to the Mumbai airport, Frankfurt is like Changi.)
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