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WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by Mike Filigenzi » Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:17 pm

A couple of evenings ago, a friend brought over a bottle of 2002 Story Creekside Zin and I'd have to say that this is one wine a lot of you would love to hate. For starters, it weighs in at 16.9% alcohol and you can taste it (which isn't terribly surprising). There's a ton of red fruit and just detectible residual sugar. Huge, sweet, and way alcoholic, so what's to like? Well, I at least found it drinkable. The fruit character manages to stay in the red fruit/berry range without any of that raisiny/pruny overrpipe taste that many wines like this have. Despite the big, sweet, fruit, it had enough in the way of tannins and acidity to keep it from being fat and flabby. We had it with good takeout Mexican food and it wasn't too bad with my carne asada quesadilla. And it helped that there were five of us splitting the bottle.

So overall, it's not a wine I would buy but it's one I would accept a glass of if offered.
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Re: WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by Randy Buckner » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:23 am

16.9% alcohol


Gasp!
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Re: WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by Sue Courtney » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:39 am

Randy Buckner wrote:
16.9% alcohol


Gasp!


Double gasp!
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Re: WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by Mike Filigenzi » Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:35 am

Sue Courtney wrote:
Randy Buckner wrote:
16.9% alcohol


Gasp!


Double gasp!


Yeah, the first sip makes you do that.



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Re: WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by wnissen » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:40 am

Mm mmmef.

Sorry, I just had a small retch. I'm fine now.

Mike, I often find myself recoiling in horror (or at least boredom) at some of these monsters, but for some reason zin seems to carry excess alcohol far better than cab or syrah. Why is that? Does the bramblyness and intensity of the fruit cover up the alcohol. I'd not turn down a glass, either.

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Re: WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by RichardAtkinson » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:53 pm

Mike,

Are you sure someone didn't slip in a Mogen David 20/20 ringer?

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Re: WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by JC (NC) » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:49 pm

I like the Biale Black Chicken Zin at over 16% alcohol. The fruit really does carry the alcohol so that it doesn't taste hot.
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Re: WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by Mike Filigenzi » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:23 am

wnissen wrote:Mm mmmef.

Sorry, I just had a small retch. I'm fine now.

Mike, I often find myself recoiling in horror (or at least boredom) at some of these monsters, but for some reason zin seems to carry excess alcohol far better than cab or syrah. Why is that? Does the bramblyness and intensity of the fruit cover up the alcohol. I'd not turn down a glass, either.

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Walt -

I guess this was an example of one that can at least begin to carry that alcohol level. For me, the difference comes in the flavor profiles. If there's a lot of overripe, raisiny character, then I don't like the wine. But some zins manage to get that high level of alcohol without tasting like like they were picked three weeks too late. This was one of them, and it wasn't so bad.
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Re: WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by Mike Filigenzi » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:24 am

RichardAtkinson wrote:Mike,

Are you sure someone didn't slip in a Mogen David 20/20 ringer?

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I think it was a few percent too low in the residual sugar.

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Re: WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by Sue Courtney » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:57 pm

Came across an interesting link to a Vines & Wines article in a high alcohol thread on the Australian StarWine forum - and it's worth posting here for discussion. Some snippets from the article....

Me, a high alcohol apologist?

"Much has been made of the plethora of high alcohol wines currently available to us wine imbibers ......
"What I contend is that the problem is not high alcohol per se. No, high alcohol is the byproduct of a winemaking decision to produce wines that are big, powerful, and showy ......
"I’ll present my conclusion: there is very little if any evidence that we can distinguish alcohol as alcohol even between wines with up to 4% difference in alcohol by volume ......
"If its balanced, and isn’t too ripe, too jammy, too sweet, do you really care what the alcohol is?
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Link to article: http://www.vinesnwines.org/?p=84
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Re: WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by Mike Filigenzi » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:47 pm

Sue Courtney wrote:Came across an interesting link to a Vines & Wines article in a high alcohol thread on the Australian StarWine forum - and it's worth posting here for discussion. Some snippets from the article....

Me, a high alcohol apologist?

"Much has been made of the plethora of high alcohol wines currently available to us wine imbibers ......
"What I contend is that the problem is not high alcohol per se. No, high alcohol is the byproduct of a winemaking decision to produce wines that are big, powerful, and showy ......
"I’ll present my conclusion: there is very little if any evidence that we can distinguish alcohol as alcohol even between wines with up to 4% difference in alcohol by volume ......
"If its balanced, and isn’t too ripe, too jammy, too sweet, do you really care what the alcohol is?
"

Link to article: http://www.vinesnwines.org/?p=84


On that last point, Sue, I would have to say that how much I care about the alcohol level depends on the situation. With the Story Zin, there were 5 of us drinking the bottle with dinner. In a case like that, I don't really care about the alcohol level on its own. I'll only have one glass, so the flavor of the wine is really all that matters. But if I'm sitting home on a weeknight with my wife, I prefer a bottle with less alcohol. I think that's because I enjoy sipping wine as I go about my evening, and I will likely want a second glass. Even if the wine is well-balanced, I can really start to feel the second glass of a 17% wine. OTOH, a second glass of a 13% wine will not leave me feeling looped. In such a situation, that's a big plus for me.
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Re: WTN: Vinuous Spawn of Satan

by Jenise » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:00 am

"I’ll present my conclusion: there is very little if any evidence that we can distinguish alcohol as alcohol even between wines with up to 4% difference in alcohol by volume ...... "

Sue, that guy can't be real. I see it constantly happen that a wine tastes hot, which causes someone to dive for the bottle to read the alcohol. It's always 'up there', meaning higher than normal. Maybe only 14.5% but when is used to drinking 12.5-13.5% wines, it shows immediately. Proof in my world, anyway, that even 1% difference rarely goes undetected.

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