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When, in his teens, Wolfgang Puck left Austria to hone his cooking skills in France, he didn't believe his homeland was capable of producing great wine. (That early stint, in Burgundy, may have reinforced this impression.) While he was establishing himself abroad, the wine industry in Austria did what it could to uphold his initial opinion, with high yields (leading to wines with less concentration), a focus on cheap bulk production and a general lack of inspiration.
Then on a visit home in the early '90s — there were no Austrian wines in any of his restaurant wine lists at the time — Puck drove through the Wachau, one of the country's premier wine regions, and visited the home of winemaker F.X. Pichler. "He brought out five wines," says Puck, "without telling me what they were or who they were from, and I tasted them. When he told me they were all Grüner Veltliners from the Wachau, I said, 'You must be joking. These cannot be Austrian wines.' I could not believe how beautiful they were."
Michael Pronay wrote:It's not that "Gespritzter" doesn't exist — it does, of course, and is quite popular (but without ice, of course) —, but the fact that lesser GVs would end up this way. The wine that typically ends as Gespritzter is not "lesser GV", but "Heurigen", young wine from the youngest vintage without varietal designation (and usually a blend of grape varieties). And even for this type of wine, the majority is drunk as it is, not blended with sparkling water.
Bill Hooper wrote:If the LA times has finally caught on, does that mean that GV is no longer cool?
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Warren Edwardes wrote:I am afraid that GV leaves me cold and feeling inadequate. GV is much too subtle for my taste buds and I'd have difficulty in distinguishing GV from Pinot Gris and Pinot Bianco in a blind tasting.
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Robin Garr wrote:Warren Edwardes wrote:I am afraid that GV leaves me cold and feeling inadequate. GV is much too subtle for my taste buds and I'd have difficulty in distinguishing GV from Pinot Gris and Pinot Bianco in a blind tasting.
Piling on here, Warren, I know you can take it ... you really owe it to yourself to taste more GV. To me, it's the transparency and the minerals ... I think of GV much more in stylistic kinship with Loire whites - specifically Muscadet - or Riesling without the aromatics - than Pinot Gris or Blanc.
David M. Bueker wrote:The richer GVs can have much more in common with White Burgundy (less the oak and oxidation) or richer Alsatian Rieslings (less the sugar) than the more austere Loire whites.
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Robin Garr wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:The richer GVs can have much more in common with White Burgundy (less the oak and oxidation) or richer Alsatian Rieslings (less the sugar) than the more austere Loire whites.
Point well-taken, although I don't find the comparison as apt. An excellent Wachau Smaragd GV, to me, is really sui generis, and analogies just don't work as well (imo) as the comparison of lighter-style GVs and Muscadet.
I still say it's the rocks, though. Rocks rock, and it's hard to find them in the white Pinot varieties other than maybe a few outlying PGs from Collio or Alsace.
David M. Bueker wrote:that richer style maybe does not resemble White Burgundy, but it certainly can replace it! Perhaps that's a more appropriate thing to say, sice Grüner Veltliner really is a distinctive grape variety.
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