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Red wine allergies

by Jenise » Sat Feb 08, 2025 2:26 pm

So I have a friend who has recently begun suffering headaches after two glasses of red wine. White wines have not been a problem. I don't know about rose. She owns and drinks mostly Washington wines less than five years old. She and her husband have been consistent red wine drinkers at the rate of, say, three-four bottles a week for the last 30 years. She doesn't know yet whether her allergy is to the tannins or histamines, and I guess sulfites could be a problem as well.

Would drinking older wines make a difference? Do tannins and histamines age out? I'm having them for dinner tonight and am considering serving some 15+ year olds just to test this.
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Re: Red wine allergies

by Bill Spohn » Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:15 pm

Jenise wrote:Would drinking older wines make a difference? Do tannins and histamines age out? I'm having them for dinner tonight and am considering serving some 15+ year olds just to test this.


Don't think so - they can't be filtered ad don't seem to 'age out'. Give them whites - less histamines to start with.
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Re: Red wine allergies

by David M. Bueker » Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:57 pm

It's most likely histamines.
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Re: Red wine allergies

by Jenise » Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:56 pm

Well, I've chosen a 2002 Aussie shiraz to try. She'll love the wine either way. The other wines I'm serving will be a BC Riesling and something pink not yet chosen.
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Re: Red wine allergies

by Mark Lipton » Sun Feb 09, 2025 1:04 am

Tannins have been shown to trigger headaches in some people, so older wines (if decanted off their sediment) ought to be less problematic for those types. If histamines are the trigger, then red wines (and beer) are off the table.
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Re: Red wine allergies

by Paul Winalski » Sun Feb 09, 2025 1:14 pm

It's anthocyanins, the red and purple pigments that give red grapes their skin color. They are also responsible for the blue color of the mold in blue cheese. My dad suffered from chronic, severe migraine headaches. His neurologist read a paper linking anthocyanins to migraines and advised my dad to avoid red wine, blue cheese, and dark fruits such as dark grapes and blueberries. This was a wrench for him--he was very fond of Port and stilton. But after giving up those things he never had another migraine. White wine was not a problem for him.

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Re: Red wine allergies

by Paul Winalski » Sun Feb 09, 2025 1:18 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:If histamines are the trigger, then red wines (and beer) are off the table.


I have an allergy to wheat beers such as German Weissbier. I always end up with a headache about 15 minutes after drinking some. Other types of beer don't affect me that way.

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Re: Red wine allergies

by Jenise » Sun Feb 09, 2025 4:46 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:Tannins have been shown to trigger headaches in some people, so older wines (if decanted off their sediment) ought to be less problematic for those types. If histamines are the trigger, then red wines (and beer) are off the table.


My thought re tannins, and yes I decanted the shiraz.

I served a pink wine, a very pale syrah-based rose from Washington winery Betz first, then put the Riesling and Shiraz on the table with dinner--very different wines but mutually complementary with the Chinese dinner I prepared.

I learned a little while discussing this over dinner. She has not, contrary to what I thought, tested herself on whites alone. (I know, it's time!) And all was fine for the first three hours and suddenly: HEADACHE. But at the same time: FEVER. They left immediately and her temp was 99.9 when she got home. Her norm is lower than 98.6. For the last month she's had a serious medical issue: a kidney infection causing systemic issues with nightly fevers. The kidney issue is not uncommon for people on Humira, which she is. She's been on antibiotics to fix that, and this past week her bloodwork finally came back normal--no sign of infection. But the fevers haven't gone away. And the red wine allergy she believes she has acquired is not accompanied by stuffed up nose, runny red eyes or any of the other symptoms she suffers from other allergies (of which she has quite a few unusual types, including metals.) Because the fevers aren't going away, she's going to have more complicated blood work done this week.

I can't help but wonder if headaches don't have the same causality as the fevers and nothing to do with red wine at all.
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Re: Red wine allergies

by David M. Bueker » Sun Feb 09, 2025 4:59 pm

Yeah, sounds like something deeper is amiss.
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Re: Red wine allergies

by Jenise » Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:10 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Yeah, sounds like something deeper is amiss.


Could well be. She hadn't had any wine in the last month, the supposed red wine allergy started before that, but still: could be organic and related.
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