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Unusual descriptors

by Jenise » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:05 pm

I read so many tasting notes, it's hard to surprise me any more. But this morning on CT, someone managed that. A 2022 Pewsey Vale Riesling from Australia had this: "Petrol, tennisballs, gooseberry, good acid but not screaming."

I am guessing that someone who plays a lot of tennis has that experience of opening a fresh can and getting that scent. Entirely valid and amusing to contemplate.

Anyone run into any other compelling descriptors of late?
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by David M. Bueker » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:41 pm

Fresh tennis balls is the latest attempt to pin down the infamous “petrol” descriptor.
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by Jenise » Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:30 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Fresh tennis balls is the latest attempt to pin down the infamous “petrol” descriptor.


News to me! But then he probably wouldn't get my 'coconut' thing.

Just yesterday or so I started thinking about popular descriptors of the past. Like 'garrique' in wines of the Southern Rhone, which isn't as ubiquitous as it once was though the scent is still there (and why I was thinking about it). Or 'green bean' to describe Sauvignon Blancs, which of course you would never do!, for the non-cat-pee gooseberryless made popular by the New Zealand invasion.
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Re: Unusual descriptors

by Patchen Markell » Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:10 pm

Well, I just invented one, for a note on a 2002 Brun L'Ancien VV:

Coprolite. (n., < ancient Greek "kopros," faeces, + "lithos," stone.) A fossilized turd. Also adj., "coprolitic," used figuratively to describe a once mildly barnyardy bottle of wine from which, over the years, all the flesh and structure has disappeared, leaving behind only the poop.
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Re: Unusual descriptors

by David M. Bueker » Wed Jan 29, 2025 10:38 am

Patchen Markell wrote:Well, I just invented one, for a note on a 2002 Brun L'Ancien VV:

Coprolite. (n., < ancient Greek "kopros," faeces, + "lithos," stone.) A fossilized turd. Also adj., "coprolitic," used figuratively to describe a once mildly barnyardy bottle of wine from which, over the years, all the flesh and structure has disappeared, leaving behind only the poop.


Not so freshly dead!
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Re: Unusual descriptors

by David M. Bueker » Wed Jan 29, 2025 10:40 am

Jenise wrote:
David M. Bueker wrote:Fresh tennis balls is the latest attempt to pin down the infamous “petrol” descriptor.


News to me! But then he probably wouldn't get my 'coconut' thing.

Just yesterday or so I started thinking about popular descriptors of the past. Like 'garrique' in wines of the Southern Rhone, which isn't as ubiquitous as it once was though the scent is still there (and why I was thinking about it). Or 'green bean' to describe Sauvignon Blancs, which of course you would never do!, for the non-cat-pee gooseberryless made popular by the New Zealand invasion.


When Jancis Robinson did her BBC/PBS series "Wine Course" she said for Sauvignon Blanc "cat pee on a gooseberry bush."
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Re: Unusual descriptors

by Paul Winalski » Wed Jan 29, 2025 1:04 pm

Jancis Robinson used that description in her book Vines, Grapes, and Wines, too. I thought it an excellent description for under-ripe sauvignon blancs. At the other end of the SB spectrum are the overripe, grassy wines. They remind me of the hay infusions we used to use in Biology lab.

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Re: Unusual descriptors

by Robin Garr » Wed Jan 29, 2025 2:21 pm

Paul Winalski wrote:Jancis Robinson used that description in her book Vines, Grapes, and Wines, too. I thought it an excellent description for under-ripe sauvignon blancs. At the other end of the SB spectrum are the overripe, grassy wines. They remind me of the hay infusions we used to use in Biology lab.

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, "grassy" used to fall on the conopy-shaded, ripe but not overripe side. Full sunlight and ripeness foster citrus in SB, don't they?
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Re: Unusual descriptors

by Mark Lipton » Wed Jan 29, 2025 3:32 pm

Robin Garr wrote:
Paul Winalski wrote:Jancis Robinson used that description in her book Vines, Grapes, and Wines, too. I thought it an excellent description for under-ripe sauvignon blancs. At the other end of the SB spectrum are the overripe, grassy wines. They remind me of the hay infusions we used to use in Biology lab.

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, "grassy" used to fall on the conopy-shaded, ripe but not overripe side. Full sunlight and ripeness foster citrus in SB, don't they?

Yes, and tropical fruit notes, too.
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Re: Unusual descriptors

by Peter May » Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:04 pm

A popular wine descriptor in South Africa is 'fynbos', (fine bush) the native flowery scrub land in the Cape.

Some years ago my son joined a group of girls from Johannesburg for a tasting at a Cape winery. When the Sauvignon Blanc was poured they were told it should taste like gooseberries. The girls asked what were gooseberries. The pourer told them gooseberries are hard smooth round small orange fruits.

My son was confused because we have gooseberry bushes in our garden and they grow large soft hairy green oval fruits. The wineries had read British wine experts who used the gooseberry descriptor as that fruit is common here. But it is not much seen in South Africa, they call physalis 'gooseberry' and believe that's what the experts mean, and they have convinced themselves that SB tastes like physalis.

I have no idea what tennis balls smell like when new.

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