Tried these two last night. Not a particularly good wine night.
1. Pleiades Roditis PGI: Tyrnavos (11%; 100% Roditis; 30 days of skin & stem contact in 600l SS; Eklektikon/Wilmington/DE) PaprasWnry/Tyrnavos/Greece 2023: Very hazy/cloudy color w/ a ton of flocculant sediment; quite natty/funky/mousey some resinous/skin-contact/phenolic slight orange peel/graham cracker rather unattractive nose; very tart/tangy some tannic some dissolved/CO2 rather natty/phenolic/skin-contact fairly bitter rather earthy little fruit flavor w/ strong tannic bite; med. rather bitter/phenolic/natty finish that follows flavor; an unattractive orange wine that embodies all that's bad of natural & skin-contact wines; an ugly little wine that may improve but why bother. $23.00 (SFW&S)
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2. Donkey&Goat 4-13 RW blend/ElDorado (14.2%; www.DonkeyAndGoat.com) Berkeley 2009: Med.color w/ some browning; rather earthy/mushroomy/ElD light Grenache/strawberry/blackberry rather old CdP bit tired nose; soft some earthy/mushroomy/ElD some tired/dried out bit cedary/pencilly/old Red rather old/CdP/Rhonish slight Grenache/strawberry flavor w/ light tired tannins; med.long somewhat tired/low fruit finish that tracks flavor; a bit on the tired side & not much fruit remaining but a pretty decent replication of an old CdP but w/o the earthy/dusty/OV character; pretty much on its last legs & offers up little pleasure.
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More jipperplack from TheBloodyPulpit:
1. The Roditis was slightly better the next morning after standing open overnight & showed a bit more fruit. But still was a pretty unattractive white.
The D&G 4-13 stands for 4 varieties of the allowed 13 varieties allowed in the Southern Rhone. It wasn't that bad but clearly on the tired side.
Tom