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Experience With NakedWines.com???

by TomHill » Thu May 23, 2024 3:15 pm

I've been receiving repeated e-mails from NakedWines.com to join their wine club & receive monthly a case of their "well-curated" wines at a cheap $80/case. I am, of course, highly insulted by their promises/offers of wines made by their renowned independent winemakers. Most all of whom I've never heard of. When you Google these "renowned" winemakers, NakedWines is the first entry that pops up. Their WebSite has scam of novice winedrinkers written all over it. My bull-$hit antennae goes into the high-gain mode. It has all the earmarks of the SarrantyWines/TotalWines scams written in large.
Has anyone here had any direct experience w/ NakedWines.com??
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by Robin Garr » Thu May 23, 2024 4:23 pm

Only same as you, Tom. I see their ads online fairly often, and reason that they look ... dubious?
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by David M. Bueker » Thu May 23, 2024 4:54 pm

Misleading ads for no doubt mediocre wines.
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Re: Experience With NakedWines.com???

by Jenise » Thu May 23, 2024 6:30 pm

Somewhere in the library of tasting notes here is a TN-post by me titled something like "I Tried Naked Wines So You Don't Have To".
I'd been getting all kinds of stuff from them, like you, and lots of locals were asking my opinion. All the wines were at best mediocre. Dilute, lacking character and typicity. Made Columbia Crest taste like a luxury brand.

Worse, the shipment came with 'letters' and photos from the so-called winemakers in the style of what would be the Thomas Kincade school of letter writing if there were such a thing. Blatantly treacly and overwrought "I love you from the bottom of my heart" sappy letters thanking me for my purchase, assuring me that thanks to Naked Wines--and me!--their lifelong dream of making fine wine had finally been realized and their family saved. In many cases, large family photos were included. Deeply offensive. Wine for lonely, gullible idiots.

That was 8 or 10 years ago. Last month a Naked Wine syrah came to a local wine tasting. It was characterless, so nothing's changed.
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by Peter May » Fri May 24, 2024 12:47 pm

They started in the UK and their initial premise was good. Idea is you - the customer- commit to paying a monthly sum and for that you are called an 'Angel' - (similar to investors in stage shows).

Naked uses that money to fund independent winemakers that don't otherwise have the resources to make wine and certainly don't have a market.

Customers can the buy wines at the 'Angels' price - there is a much higher price for non-angels.
(If you get a voucher for Naked, note that the prices you pay will be the non-angel ones, therefore the voucher is not as generous as it seems, plus a condition is that you have to sign up as an angel, i.e. commit to paying them a monthly sum which you can draw from in future to buy wine.)

What could go wrong?


It seems there were too many customers for independent winemakers to supply. When I looked at the UK operation and a wine region that I know fairly well (South Africa) the name of many of the independent winemakers turned out to be winemakers employed by co-operative or other large wineries, and I (maybe cynically) felt the wines were standard mass-market bottlings with a different label sold at prices higher than they are otherwise available at.

They've expanded to the USA, and now the USA is their largest market but industry news reports say they are in trouble

https://www.cityam.com/naked-wines-sees ... onditions/
https://www.cityam.com/naked-wines-appo ... -survival/
https://www.cityam.com/naked-wines-shar ... s-jitters/

Make up your own mind; I know some people who are Naked 'angels' and they seem pleased with what they get and are made to feel special. But none of these people are what I'd call wine savvy.

I've looked and stayed away.
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Re: Experience With NakedWines.com???

by Jenise » Fri May 24, 2024 4:32 pm

My original post from 2015:

Still intrigued by my neighbor-the-scientist joining this club, and after ensuring that I wasn't obligating myself any further, I 'bit' at the 'case of wine for $65 delivered' initial offer. How bad could it be for that, I wondered.

Right off the bat, emails from founder Rowan starting pouring on the love, and I do mean love, trying to create excitement toward the day all 93,445 people in line in front of me got out of the way so that I could become an Angel too.

The case of wine showed up within a few weeks. In it was a big glossy folder full of over-the-top information, including a card about the size of the Christmas card you get from your insurance agent every year embossed with "Your journey has begun" and containing photos of my new friends, the winemakers I was now 'supporting'.

In between the emails came some snail mail teasers like the letter from "Jeff Jarvis, winemaker" with "Thanks from the bottom of my heart" in a handwritten-looking font scrawled across the top of the page. "Dear Jenise," it reads, "Please accept a bottle of wine with my grateful thanks. It will appear in your basket...on the day you become an Angel. You are about to invest $40 a month in winemakers like me...so you can taste where your money is going and see how it has changed my life."

"I've been making wines for years, and I'm fortunate that people say I'm very good at it with over 15,000 positive reviews and a lifetime of shiny medals. But despite all these awards...life for me was very hard indeed...I had to spend 200 days a year on the road...and hardly got to see my family...Because you are funding me I can invest in quality. I can buy the best fruit, I can give my wines the time nature needs to do her magic and I can make the wine the way I want to make it...So from my family to you, thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Jeff."

So, the wines. I've only opened four bottles so far, but all four were hopelessly, or barely, average and what's in the bottle tastes cheaply made (as are the labels). But they're probably cleverly average too, as they're clearly meant to never offend an inexperienced palate. They are not lean or racy or earthy or funky or bitter or concentrated or bombastic or tannic--probably especially not tannic--or showing character in any way at all. They are simplistic with no sense of regional typicity, and every one has a maudlin back label message from the supposed winemaker like this underripe NZ pinot did: "Lay of the Land wines have been a long time coming, After ten years as head winemaker with a leading Marlborough winery, the beautiful Angels and our wonderfully dedicated farming friends have combined with me to bring this long dream of a project to your wine glasses. It is still hard to believe it is really happening--thank you, all you Angels."

This is a wine club for lonely people. But it's an amazing shtick, and has been interesting to witness. Those of us who understand the world of winemaking know no true artisan of fine wine spent his life dreaming of being able to make the kind of bland, dilute wines I've tasted so far. The only campaign I've ever seen like this was the stuff that came to my father in law (after he died, all his mail was forwarded to us) from Jimmy Swaggart and Reverend Schuller; it goes beyond the product to play on neediness and emotion, and what has worked with religion is apparently working in the secular world of wine. I would never have bet something like this would succeed, but it apparently has.

Needless to say, when I got the email this week telling me that I was finally at the front of the line, I opted out.
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov

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