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WTN: The Royal Schram

by David M. Bueker » Mon May 20, 2024 5:30 pm

  • 2011 Schramsberg Vineyards Brut Napa Valley Carneros - USA, California, Napa / Sonoma, Carneros (5/20/2024)
    Nothing beats a vacation day afternoon bottle of bubbly. Served with salty snacks, this was a touch sweeter than our usual fare, but worked with the snacks. Clear red fruit notes, and a rich finish, I would not go out of my way for more in its price range (too much other stuff that is better for less) but I won’t complain about having the bottle from my dad’s cellar.
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Re: WTN: The Royal Schram

by Jenise » Tue May 21, 2024 11:53 am

Bob and I celebrated something with a Schramsberg very early in our relationship (1986) and it kind of became our thing for awhile, but we eventually gave up on the brand. Our tastes probably changed as we gained experience, sure, but bottles in the last 20 years vs. the first 20 years have seemed sweeter and simpler. I don't think it's just us that changed.
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Re: WTN: The Royal Schram

by David M. Bueker » Tue May 21, 2024 6:51 pm

FWIW, we had a new release NV Champagne tonight that had 9 g/l dosage, and it tasted notably drier than the 13 year old Schramsberg.
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Re: WTN: The Royal Schram

by Steve Edmunds » Tue May 21, 2024 8:52 pm

that's because it grows in Champagne, not in California. I'd imagine the difference in freshness is pretty striking.
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Re: WTN: The Royal Schram

by David M. Bueker » Tue May 21, 2024 9:00 pm

I would not try to compare freshness with wines of such different ages. That said, the Schramsberg needed some acidity. There’s places in California to get that.
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Re: WTN: The Royal Schram

by Paul Winalski » Wed May 22, 2024 1:27 pm

Champagne is an example of making lemons out of lemonade, or as we computer engineers say, calling a bug a feature. The cold climate in Champagne meant that the grapes were on the tart side even when physiologically ripe. Also, the winter cold often caused stuck fermentation. When the wine was shipped to the warmer climate of, say, Paris, the yeasts would wake up again and on arrival the wine would be fizzy and tart. That's if the barrels didn't explode in transit. The Champagne winemakers did a marketing campaign that presented the bubbles as a refreshing feature and suggested bubbly wine for special and festive occasions. The campaign worked. Later, when Pasteur sorted out the winemaking issues, they intentionally added the fizz in a controlled fashion via a second fermentation. The last piece of the puzzle was getting rid of the yeast sediment from the second fermentation.

The sunny climate of California usually causes acidity levels to fall too quickly to make methode champenoise wine with proper acidity. Back in the 1980s Chateau St. Jean tried their hand at making sparkling wine. But to keep the proper acidity they were forced to harvest the grapes when they were not physiologically mature. The result was an abject lesson in what happens when you vinify underripe pinot noir and chardonnay. The wine smelled and tasted of overcooked asparagus and Brussels sprouts. It was ghastly--one of the few wines I'd rate as a triple Joe Besser on the Three Stooges Scale. Chateau St. Jean never attempted sparkling wine again.

Schramsberg does a decent job at sparklers, but Champagne has the added advantage of being on that chalk-and-limestone soil band in Europe that produces great wines wherever it crops up in the subsoil (examples being Champagne, the Cote d'Or in Burgundy, Grande and Petite Champagne in Cognac, and Jerez de la Frontera in Spain). Gruet did a good job when all of their fruit came from grapes grown in limestone soil on hills surrounding Truth or Consequences New Mexico. They they sold out to a conglomerate. The grapes now come from Oregon and the old Gruet magic is gone.

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Re: WTN: The Royal Schram

by David M. Bueker » Wed May 22, 2024 5:04 pm

Champagne isn’t lemons anymore Paul.
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Re: WTN: The Royal Schram

by Paul Winalski » Thu May 23, 2024 12:42 pm

It was in the 1800s, pre-Pasteur.

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Re: WTN: The Royal Schram

by David M. Bueker » Thu May 23, 2024 3:45 pm

Paul Winalski wrote:It was in the 1800s, pre-Pasteur.

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And that's relevant to today's wines how?
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