The place for all things wine, focused on serious wine discussions.

TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

Moderators: Jenise, Robin Garr, David M. Bueker

no avatar
User

Bill Spohn

Rank

He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'

Posts

9969

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm

Location

Vancouver BC

TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

by Bill Spohn » Sat May 13, 2023 3:45 pm

Notes from a blind tasting lunch:

After a highly focussed tasting last month (St. Julien wines) we went completely open this time and wound up with an interesting range of wine.

Louis Vallon Cremant de Bordeaux Blanc de Noirs – this bubbly was clearly not a Champagne but we figured it was a Cremant from some other French area – Bordeaux was not high up on our list of options! Clean, crisp and with some very nice fruit aromas, we liked this one.

2008 Laurent-Perrier Champagne Brut Millésimé – nice contrast with this wine. Darker colour, diner mousse, clean, crisp and with a nice citrus finish.

2016 Tantalus Vineyards Riesling Old Vines – this B.C. wine was my starter wine, a style that is very dry but still with a richness to it. Showing well.

2020 Domaine Tempier Bandol Blanc
– I like these wines a lot and don’t see them nearly often enough. Light colour, some nice honey and lemon in the nose, plus a distinctive hit of marijuana (not that I’d know, of course). Very good!

1997 Joseph Swan Zinfandel Zeigler Vd. Russian River Valley – lovely old style Zin, fairly dark with a rather cabernet like nose, almost elegant.

1997 Turley Zinfandel Moore Earthquake Vd. – this was the antithesis of the other Zin (we were being accused of conspiracy to bring the same vintage of the same varietal but it was just chance). This one was 16.8% alcohol, was quite dark and had a sweet nose of dark berries and a smooth feel without intrusive tannins. It carried the alcohol quite well.

2010 Longview Vineyard Shiraz The Piece – one of those ludicrous cluttered Aussie labels that are very hard to decipher (I expect they do that just to be annoying). The degree of mint was no surprise and peppery mint in the nose gave way to more on palate with smooth ripe fruit. Probably what I would reach for if I were BBQing a wallaby!

2005 Clos St. Jean Cahors – produced by a producer I hadn’t seen before, Famille Jouffreau. The sort of malbec I enjoy, rounded mellow ready to drink style. Decent showing perhaps getting a little long in the tooth now.

2011 Rene Rostaing Côte-Rôtie Cuvée Classique Ampodium - obvious syrah, rather dense but opened up over and hour or so to show a sort os southern Rhone feast with black olive, dried tomato, and black pepper. Not profound but very good.

2016 Woodenhead Charbono, Guido Venturi Vineyard – dark purple and with a nose of vanilla oak and cherry, but on the simple side. I used to pick up Charbonos from Inglenook in the old days as they had some character but this isn’t that. Plus whenever I hear the name ‘Charbono’ I can’t help thinking to myself that Cher did the right thing by cutting Sonny free.

The final wine was my choice as host and I opted to do a comparison between it and the young Riesling I had opened with:

2004 Weingut Max Ferd. Richter Brauneberger Juffer-Sonnenuhr Riesling Spätlese – nose of petrol, pear and citrus and well integrated fruit on palate. Very much to my taste and a good example of a mature Spatlese, but I’m not sure how many of the other tastesr share by attraction to this style. A whopping 8% alcohol!
no avatar
User

Jenise

Rank

FLDG Dishwasher

Posts

43586

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm

Location

The Pacific Northest Westest

Re: TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

by Jenise » Sat May 13, 2023 4:09 pm

Do you still have the bottles? I'd love a picture of my two, if you can snap and send one.

Some comments:

I did not get the marijuana note in the Tempier. Basically, I hate the smell of marijuana and I thought this wine had a very pleasant aroma, perhaps hay-like, but not pot-like (what in the heck was going on at that end of the table, anyway?) It and the Swan were my WOTDs.

Otherwise pretty much agreed down the line. Was very proud of my Swan. Re the Turley, considering your tastes as I know them now, I can't for the life of me understand why you went big on Turley's back in the 90's. So unlike you to go for that style.

The Charbono--that one wasn't meant to impress, I didn't expect it be liked very much which is why I brought 3 bottles. I was merely offering it, in fact I bought it because, you once asked if anyone sees charbono anymore. And then I ran into that at a winery where it was the only wine I even partially liked and I needed to buy something, so I brought it back for you. So there.
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov
no avatar
User

Bill Spohn

Rank

He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'

Posts

9969

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm

Location

Vancouver BC

Re: TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

by Bill Spohn » Sat May 13, 2023 7:14 pm

I hadn't realized that the Charbono was yours. Your Bandol was a killer wine!

I sent you a pic - hopefully it will get through.

I bought some things a quarter century ago that I wanted to taste and then age and the Turleys were among those - tasted early and then ignored for 25 years. I still have some turley Petite Sirah that may outlive us all.
no avatar
User

David M. Bueker

Rank

Childless Cat Dad

Posts

34935

Joined

Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am

Location

Connecticut

Re: TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

by David M. Bueker » Sat May 13, 2023 9:49 pm

I inherited a vertical of Turley Hayne Petite Sirah from my dad. I have no idea when would be a decent time to drink it. Maybe during Lent. It can be palate penance. :lol:
Decisions are made by those who show up
no avatar
User

Bill Spohn

Rank

He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'

Posts

9969

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm

Location

Vancouver BC

Re: TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

by Bill Spohn » Sun May 14, 2023 12:30 pm

I am trying to recall if I have ever tasted a Turley PS. I bought them with the future in mind and just never got around to pulling corks. I was surprised when Jenise mentioned the alcohol, as that was the era when winemakers tended to ignore actual numbers - my remaining Turleys are Petite Sirah and all seem to be marked as 15.0% when in fact I expect that they are substantially higher.

Maybe I should be opening these like I would a Port at the end of a meal.....
no avatar
User

Jenise

Rank

FLDG Dishwasher

Posts

43586

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm

Location

The Pacific Northest Westest

Re: TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

by Jenise » Mon May 15, 2023 10:45 am

Bill, yes, you've opened a Turley PS. It was long enough ago that it was at the Gav, here's your note:

2003 Turley Hayne Vineyard Petite Sirah (Napa Valley)
This is inky black red with some violet hues. 10 years old, wow ! In the palate it is incredibly smooth but has a definite peppery, spicy kick. A big, plummy wine with berry fruit, lashings of creamy vanillin oak, smooth tannins now quite integrated and a memorable finish.
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov
no avatar
User

Dale Williams

Rank

Compassionate Connoisseur

Posts

11420

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm

Location

Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)

Re: TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

by Dale Williams » Mon May 15, 2023 2:06 pm

Nice notes both of you.
Bandol blanc can be fun, not too easy to find around here.
Another elegant Swan Zin!
Thanks
no avatar
User

Jenise

Rank

FLDG Dishwasher

Posts

43586

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm

Location

The Pacific Northest Westest

Re: TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

by Jenise » Mon May 15, 2023 2:47 pm

Bill Spohn wrote:Maybe I should be opening these like I would a Port at the end of a meal.....


I think so. That's why I pushed the Charbono to the position of last red before your finisher, I knew it would come off sweet compared to the aged wines.

Dale, yes, the Swan was wonderful. I would definitely call it elegant even if Bill didn't. It was my last of the once-considerable stash of Swan zins I owned. The Tempier was mine, too. I lucked into two bottles a few months ago--only two cases come into Washington state. I have only ever once before scored a bottle, and I bought that one off a restaurant wine list. Fabulous wine.
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov
no avatar
User

David M. Bueker

Rank

Childless Cat Dad

Posts

34935

Joined

Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am

Location

Connecticut

Re: TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

by David M. Bueker » Mon May 15, 2023 2:58 pm

Envoyer actually just offered the Tempier Blanc. Only ever had it once, so I requested and was granted 3 bottles.
Decisions are made by those who show up
no avatar
User

Jenise

Rank

FLDG Dishwasher

Posts

43586

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm

Location

The Pacific Northest Westest

Re: TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

by Jenise » Mon May 15, 2023 3:09 pm

Maybe it's time for me to join Envoyer.
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov
no avatar
User

Jenise

Rank

FLDG Dishwasher

Posts

43586

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm

Location

The Pacific Northest Westest

Re: TN: Tempier, Swan, Turley, Rostaing, Richter

by Jenise » Tue May 16, 2023 2:19 pm

Just found a case+ in Tacoma. Buying!
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: AhrefsBot, ClaudeBot, Google AgentMatch and 9 guests

Powered by phpBB ® | phpBB3 Style by KomiDesign