The place for all things wine, focused on serious wine discussions.

Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on words

Moderators: Jenise, Robin Garr, David M. Bueker

no avatar
User

Robin Garr

Rank

Forum Janitor

Posts

21717

Joined

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:44 pm

Location

Louisville, KY

Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on words

by Robin Garr » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:14 pm

Why doesn't it surprise me that this bright-eyed concept comes from a couple of doods barely old enough to be out of school? I fink I'm going to fwow up ...

<b>New Wine Ratings Site Gets Right To The Point</b>

Santa Rosa, CA: justwinepoints.com, a new wine ratings site, was launched in Beta form last week. Created by two ex-Wine X employees, the new source delivers the wine trade and consumer exactly what they want: just points, no descriptions.

“justwinepoints represents 20 years of research into why and how wine aficionados purchase wine,” says Jenna Corwin, co-founder of justwinepoints.com. “After examining and categorizing our data, we believe our easy-to-use, risk-free system presents wine reviews exactly the way wine savvy consumers (and wine trade) want them: by the numbers, and numbers only. I mean, when’s the last time you’ve ever heard a person, a consumer or someone in the wine trade, ever say ‘This wine got a 95’ and then go on to state what the reviewer actually said about the wine.”

Corwin, age 24, and co-founder John Thomas, age 27, use the same tasting panel and tasting criteria as Wine X Magazine. But instead of using the Wine X scale (X Rated Wines), they’ve incorporated a 90+ point system.

“Despite what the wine trade and consumers think, there is no standard 100-point rating scale,” says Thomas. “If you read the fine print of publications/sources that use this scale, you’ll learn that some publications’ scores are based on how the wine tastes now; some on how they think the wine will taste at its peak (they’re guessing); some scales an “85” means highly recommended; some scales an “85” means average; etc.

“So instead of participating in this pool of uncertainty, we’ve decided to take a different road and value a wine on what it’s supposed to be. For example: if we taste a Bordeaux that’s a wannabe “First Growth” than we judge it against a First Growth ideal. If it’s a $10 red blend from California that aspires to be a $10 red blend from California, then we value it on that ideal. Honestly, why judge a $10 red blend from California against a First Growth Bordeaux if the $10 bottle just wants to be a nice, easy-drinking, everyday red wine? If it lives up to everything it’s supposed to be, why devalue it just because it’s not a First Growth?”

“Let’s be honest: The sophistication level of wine enthusiasts who use the 100-point scale far exceeds that of the average, uninitiated consumers,” says Corwin. “Savvy wine aficionados understand attributes associated with different wine styles, varietals and regions. They understand about aging young wine and the influences brought about by proper cellaring. Savvy wine consumers also know that pairing wine with food is a subjective preference; therefore someone else’s opinion is absolutely irrelevant. Thus, wine descriptors and any other verbiage lashed onto rating points is wasted time and effort by both reviewer and reader."

“We’re all about getting more wineries more shelf space,” says Thomas. “That gives consumers more choices. What could be cooler than that!”
no avatar
User

Ian Sutton

Rank

Spanna in the works

Posts

2558

Joined

Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:10 pm

Location

Norwich, UK

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on words

by Ian Sutton » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:17 pm

'plonk'ers
no avatar
User

Sue Courtney

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

1809

Joined

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:33 pm

Location

Auckland, NZ

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on words

by Sue Courtney » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:27 pm

Robin Garr wrote: .... delivers the wine trade and consumer exactly what they want: just points, no descriptions .....


:roll:
no avatar
User

David Lole

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

1433

Joined

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:49 am

Location

Canberra, Australia

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on words

by David Lole » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:30 pm

Such a limited range of points without words equates to a soprano without a voice.

Woftams! :twisted: :evil:
Cheers,

David
no avatar
User

Mike Filigenzi

Rank

Known for his fashionable hair

Posts

8187

Joined

Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 pm

Location

Sacramento, CA

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on wor

by Mike Filigenzi » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:30 pm

So, so wrong. On so many levels.



Mike
"People who love to eat are always the best people"

- Julia Child
no avatar
User

Ryan D

Rank

Ultra geek

Posts

224

Joined

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:07 pm

Location

Ringwood, NJ

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on words

by Ryan D » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:30 pm

Yeah this doesn't surprise me. In a world built on instant gratification, it's just the way of things.

For me it's about discovering new wines and fine-tuning my tastes. For some, they just want the good stuff and can't be bothered to make their own decisions/conclusions.
I can certainly see that you know your wine. Most of the guests who stay here wouldn't know the difference between Bordeaux and Claret.
- Basil Fawlty
Check out my -->blog<--.
no avatar
User

Redwinger

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

4038

Joined

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:36 pm

Location

Way Down South In Indiana, USA

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on words

by Redwinger » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:00 pm

It's so simple even I can understand it.
Smile, it gives your face something to do!
no avatar
User

Ryan D

Rank

Ultra geek

Posts

224

Joined

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:07 pm

Location

Ringwood, NJ

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on words

by Ryan D » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:08 pm

Redwinger wrote:It's so simple even I can understand it.


Didn't know we had a caveman on the boards. :roll:
I can certainly see that you know your wine. Most of the guests who stay here wouldn't know the difference between Bordeaux and Claret.
- Basil Fawlty
Check out my -->blog<--.
no avatar
User

Saina

Rank

Musaroholic

Posts

3976

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:07 pm

Location

Helsinki, Finland

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; waste

by Saina » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:03 pm

Robin Garr wrote:a couple of doods barely old enough to be out of school?


Oi!! Should I be taking this personally? ;)
I don't drink wine because of religious reasons ... only for other reasons.
no avatar
User

Robin Garr

Rank

Forum Janitor

Posts

21717

Joined

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:44 pm

Location

Louisville, KY

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; waste

by Robin Garr » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:09 pm

Otto Nieminen wrote:Oi!! Should I be taking this personally? ;)


No, Otto. You are young and <i>smart</i>. :lol:
no avatar
User

Saina

Rank

Musaroholic

Posts

3976

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:07 pm

Location

Helsinki, Finland

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; waste

by Saina » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:11 pm

Robin Garr wrote:No, Otto. You are young and <i>smart</i>. :lol:


I wish I'd feel smart also! Maybe I'd get more views on my site if I only published points also! :D
I don't drink wine because of religious reasons ... only for other reasons.
no avatar
User

Paul B.

Rank

Hybrid Guru

Posts

2063

Joined

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:38 pm

Location

Ontario, Canada

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on words

by Paul B. » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:38 pm

I guess these guys need to be congratulated. It seems that they have succeeded in the quest for the universal quantification of taste. Now all we have to do is to dowload the right plugin to be able to plug into their palates, and we will all be in uniform conformity! Sounds delightful, doesn't it? :x :evil:
http://hybridwines.blogspot.ca
no avatar
User

Cynthia Wenslow

Rank

Pizza Princess

Posts

5746

Joined

Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:32 pm

Location

The Third Coast

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on wor

by Cynthia Wenslow » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:02 pm

“justwinepoints represents 20 years of research into why and how wine aficionados purchase wine,”


Did anyone else find it ironic that their "research" is nearly as old as they are?

Sheesh. Misguided youth.
no avatar
User

John Fiola

Rank

Ultra geek

Posts

199

Joined

Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:57 pm

Location

Boston, MA

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on wor

by John Fiola » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:17 pm

Just think of this with a site like this.
You subscribe, and when they post a review > 90, you automatically trigger a case buy.
No fuss, no muss. Wine producer is happy.

.... and you become really broke....
Cheers,
John
no avatar
User

Graeme Gee

Rank

Ultra geek

Posts

177

Joined

Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:13 am

Location

Sydney, Australia

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on words

by Graeme Gee » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:47 pm

...and, their list of numbers can also serve as the summertime Fahrenheit temperature forecasts for western New South Wales. How's that for utility?
cheers,
Graeme
(enjoying a glass of 92 points as I type)
no avatar
User

Randy Buckner

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

1708

Joined

Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:46 am

Location

Puget Sound

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on words

by Randy Buckner » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:12 pm

enjoying a glass of 92 points as I type


I had that wine! Didn't like it... the 92.3 pointer was pretty tasty though (Dewey Decimel Appellation).
no avatar
User

David Lole

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

1433

Joined

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:49 am

Location

Canberra, Australia

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; waste

by David Lole » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:13 pm

Otto Nieminen wrote:
Robin Garr wrote:No, Otto. You are young and <i>smart</i>. :lol:


I wish I'd feel smart also! Maybe I'd get more views on my site if I only published points also! :D


I'd view your site more often if I could understand Finnish! :wink: :lol:
Cheers,

David
no avatar
User

Bernard Roth

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

789

Joined

Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:31 pm

Location

Santa Barbara, CA

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; waste

by Bernard Roth » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:28 pm

I can't tell you how many times I have walked into a wine shop for the first time, and the salesperson tries to tell me how many points a wine got.

How am I supposed to use that information to match the wine with food? Am I supposed to infer that a 95 point PN is as good a match to a dish as a 95 point Red Burg? And is that Red Burg as drinkable today as the PN?

I think the premise is going to find very little audience and this site will fizzle out.
Regards,
Bernard Roth
no avatar
User

Bob Ross

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

5703

Joined

Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:39 pm

Location

Franklin Lakes, NJ

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on wor

by Bob Ross » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:59 pm

Generally, I suspect this site will have a short life, Robin. But, I do think they make a valid point about comparing a fine Bordeaux with a $10 sipper. If you could get the categories refined properly, this approach might have some merit.

The Wall Street Journal had a short piece recently on a number of different approaches taken by wine stores. Here's an excerpt:

Joshua Wesson, co-founder of the Best Cellars chain, was way ahead in this trend, beginning in 1996 in Manhattan with an easy-to-navigate store. The wines are organized in eight style categories: fizzy, fresh, soft, luscious, juicy, smooth, big and sweet. There are seven Best Cellars now in six cities. "I do think that we lit the sparkler. It's kind of great to see," he says of the explosion of interesting stores that followed his innovations, and in some cases went beyond them. "Our goal was to make shopping for wine as much fun as drinking it."

I didn't find any real textual descriptions on the Best Cellars shelves when I visited the New York store awhile back. Adding a number to each wine might actually help one decide among several different "fizzy" wines. Certainly the marketing seems to be effective.

Regards, Bob
no avatar
User

MtBakerDave

Rank

Ultra geek

Posts

201

Joined

Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:53 pm

Location

Seattle

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on wor

by MtBakerDave » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:02 am

There used to be a Best Cellars in Seattle. It failed.

Dave
no avatar
User

Brian K Miller

Rank

Passionate Arboisphile

Posts

9340

Joined

Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:05 am

Location

Northern California

Re: Points to the max: New site features ratings only; wastes no time on wor

by Brian K Miller » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:02 am

Sounds like Winestyles, which is just about to open three blocks from my townhouse.

Given that Vacaville is more of a Costco and BevMo kinda town, I wonder how well they will do. :?:
...(Humans) are unique in our capacity to construct realities at utter odds with reality. Dogs dream and dolphins imagine, but only humans are deluded. –Jacob Bacharach

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: AhrefsBot, ClaudeBot, Dale Williams, Ripe Bot and 3 guests

Powered by phpBB ® | phpBB3 Style by KomiDesign