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WTN: Pichon vs Pichon, at Balvanera

by Dale Williams » Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:14 am

Our Bordeaux group got back to claret Tuesday, doing (yet another) Pichon vs Pichon showdown at Balvanera on Lower East Side. With white and Champagne we had bacalao croquetas, then with reds we had beef empanadas. grilled provolone and tomato confit, skirt steaks, arancini, dry aged ribeye, & french fries. Food was delicious as always.

2015 R de Rieussec
(I think this is name, Rieussec sec in any case, first time to try).
Unsure of cepage, but nose was very SB -grass, grapefruit,and ahint of pineapple., while the palate was more Semillon- honied and a little oily, with melon and pineapple. Pretty good dose of oak. Interesting wine. B

2007 Philipponnat 1522 Rose
On the dry side, citrus and cherry with herbs and caraway seed. Long finish,.very nice, A-

1975 Ch. Pichon Baron
My least favorite of the night, yet met or exceeded my expectations! It’s good to have low expectations.It’s alive, with some red plum fruit, but astringent tannins, and a heavy ashtray note overwhelms the cedar and leather.. B-/C+

1975 Ch. Pichon Lalande
Some tannin, but more resolved than Baron, and with a nice smoky black plum base. Complex nose, not as attractive on palate, but still damn good for ‘75 Medoc. B

2000 Ch. Pichon Baron
I was surprised that this was the one I got green/herby notes from. But not unpleasant green, and there’s solid black plum fruit with mocha. Needs time, very good. B+

2000 Ch. Pichon Lalande
Fuller ripe style, rich cassis framed with lead pencil and smoke. B+

1996 Ch. Pichon Baron
Structured, black fruited, soem vanillin oak, moderate finish. B+/B

1996 Ch. Pichon Lalande
Rich and full, wonderful texture, complex young nose, excellent finish. A-

1989 Ch. Pichon Baron
Round, voluptuous, cassis and black cherry, leather,lush texture. B+/A-

1989 Ch. Pichon Lalande
Elegant, smooth, complete. Lovely nose with cigarbox and leather, rich black fruit on palate, excellent length, my WOTN. A-

1990 Ch. Pichon Baron
Ripe but not roasted, cedaryoak, lovely cassis fruit, leather and lead pencil. A-/B+

1986 Ch. Pichon Lalande
Big but still maintaining Comtesse elegance, dark fruit accented with coffee and tobacco, long finish A-/B+

Really fun night , with great people and wines

Group voting (3/2/1)
1989 Ch. Pichon Lalande 16
1996 Ch. Pichon Lalande 8
1989 Ch. Pichon Baron 8
1990 Ch. Pichon Baron 8
1986 Ch. Pichon Lalande 3
2000 Ch. Pichon Baron 3
2000 Ch. Pichon Lalande 2

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
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Re: WTN: Pichon vs Pichon, at Balvanera

by Bill Spohn » Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:19 am

Thanks for the notes. I still have a handful of 75s but no Pichons. I do have stock on some 89 Pichon Lalande, your fave (as well as some 94 which is usually a bargain because it is a very decent wine but no one thinks anything from that year is any good).
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Re: WTN: Pichon vs Pichon, at Balvanera

by Paul Winalski » Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:31 am

Thanks for the notes. I have some of the 1986 Pichon Lalande.

Yes, R is the name of the dry white that Rieussec produces when the botrytis doesn't cooperate.

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Re: WTN: Pichon vs Pichon, at Balvanera

by David M. Bueker » Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:05 pm

Always appreciate up to date thoughts on the 2000 PB. It was such a showstopper when it first came out, but then shut down hard. Sounds like it still needs more time.
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Re: WTN: Pichon vs Pichon, at Balvanera

by Bill Spohn » Fri Oct 28, 2022 12:15 pm

They do make more dry wine in Sauternes in vintages where botrytis doesn't cooperate, but they also make it with the wines that are surplus to their requirements after blending the sauv blanc and semillon in the ratios they want, even in better years.

Many of these dry wines are excellent - I've been lucky enough to taste quite a few, including the 'Y' from Yquem, though at the moment I only have the Sec from Suduiraut in my cellar

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