WTN: A White & A Red @ DinDin...(short/boring)

Tried these two last night:
1. Carlisle GrunerVeltliner SteinerVnyd/SonomaMtn/SonomaCnty (13.9%) 2015: Med.gold color; very strong GV/white pepper/floral/carnations slight
nutty/oxidative bit perfumed talc/mineral/spicy some complex very fragrant beautiful nose; fairly tart/tangy/slight grapefruity very strong GV/white pepper/
floral/carnations/spicy quite smooth/polished light mineral/chalky/perfumed talc fairly rich rather complex flavor; very long/lingering lightly tart quite rich/smooth
strong GV/white pepper/floral/spicy light chalky/mineral fairly complex beautiful finish; a beautiful fully-mature Calif GV that could go mano-a-mano with a
10 yr old Wachau Smaargd GV; suspect it will continue to evolve for another 6-10 yrs; probably the best mature Calif GV I've yet had; settling into a
lovely middle-aged cougar.
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2. Ridge LyttonSprings Calif/DryCreekVlly (14.4%; 74% Zin/21% PetiteSirah/5% Carignane; bttld 3/10; Drk: 11/09-11/19: JO)
Healdsburg 2008: Med.dark color w/ some bricking very strong raspberry/blackberry/DCV Zin/very spicy some vanilla/pencilly/Ridge oak rather dusty/OV classic LS/very spicy/
slight peppery rather complex nose w/ no signs of tiring; lightly tart very spicy/LS spicy/raspberry/blackberry/bit peppery some vanilla/Ridge oak fairly smooth fully
mature/smooth rather complex flavor w/ light slightly drying tannins; very long lightly tart smooth/mellow rather LS spicy/raspberry/blackberry/Zin modest vanilla/Am.oak
some dusty/OV finish w/ light bit drying tannins; a lovely fully-mature LS; starting to dry out slightly on the palate but still offers up much pleasure.
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A wee BloodyPulpit:
1. GV: To my judgement, Mike makes the best Gruner in all Calif (or OR). The aromatics on this GV were terrific. When I tried it this morning,
the aromatics were not nearly as powerful, which makes me wonder about its long-term future.
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2. LS: This was a great example of a fully mature Zin that is starting its downward trajectory. It has lost a fair amount of the fruit intensity that
it had in its youth.
Tom

[David M. Bueker]

How old are those Gruner vines? What kind of soils are they planted in?

How old are those Gruner vines? What kind of soils are they planted in?

Well, David...those vines are probably about 15 yrs old now.
Don't know about the soils, but probably well-drained mountain granitic soils.
Mike's GV was not the first one released in Calif, but pretty close.
Tom

[Jenise]

Tom, I had a GV in British Columbia last week that had a lot of attitude, it was stronger than any American GV I've ever had and a lot of what you write about the Carlisle would apply. Quite a surprise--I'd pretty much written that grape off domestically.