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WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Jenise » Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:58 pm

A new neighbor who has rapidly become a close friend invited us over last weekend to taste a few wines with Andy McVay, a family friend and the winemaker at Dobbes Family Winery in Dundee, Oregon, which I was previously familiar with and impressed by.

We began with:

2019 Willamette Valley Vineyards Grüner Veltliner
From the half acre Elton Vineyard, and one of only 15 Gruners made in Oregon in this vintage. Pale, delicate, and pretty; not dilute but you have to lean into it to capture the light aromas of lemon blossom and sweet peas. Crystalline acidity. This bottle set off a side conversation about what's going on with this company which has been selling ownership shares for a couple years now (I got another solicitation just last week). I, and most of you, would at best be only familiar with their lower end stuff which ends up at Costco--rather vapid and unthrilling versions of chardonnay and pinot noir, but Andy says they're doing good things with some higher end winery-only stuff and this Gruner was certainly encouraging in that regard. They have been buying up some smaller wineries and adding vineyards, and on the planning sheets for the coming years are five restaurants. Interesting news, though good or bad I can't tell.

Next I went uber-geek with this one:

2016 Zorah Voski Vayots Dzor White Blend
From vineyards at 4500 ft elevation on Mt. Ararat in Armenia. Dry pippin apple and pear with slatey, autumn dry leaf notes plus a gush of that earthy smell that comes in front of incoming rain. This bottle spent over a year on a retail shelf and is more forward than the earlier bottles purchased but nonetheless captures that Chablis-like character I find so remarkable in a non-Chardonnay.

Then Holly opened:

2015 Syre Farm Mad Ang, Puget Sound appellation
Holly just invested in some artwork from the Syre gallery and was gifted this very local wine made from Madeline Angevine. On the nose and palate, a most intriguiging blend of fennel and Gewurzish gingery flavor that Andy called "bitter", which for me is a new way of looking at spicy flavors. Big mid-palate with a drier finish than one predicts at first sip. It's a grape that buds late and ripens early so it does well here even though it remains relatively unknown to the general public, and is widely thought of as German or Swiss in origins. Was a big surprise, then, to read on the label that it's origins are in the Loire Valley. Doesn't seem right.

At about this moment we all realized we were hungry and I volunteered to cook dinner for everyone at my house, so we moved en masse to Chez J where Andy opened this amazeball:

2016 The Eyrie Vineyards Melon de Bourgogne Dundee Hills
A very serious, very substantive Melon unlike any I've ever had--but wish I'd had all along. Citrus nose with a hint of seaspray and something very lightly floral. All repeat on the palate where concentrated quince-like fruit is softened and lengthened by pear and a dash of ginger ale. Unexpected palate weight and intellectual engagement for an American white. Only 12% alc. Stunning, just stunning.

To go with the salmon I was roasting I offered Andy the run of my cellar to choose some dinner wines. Because he's actually considering some William Selyem clones for his vineyards he jumped at the chance to taste a few, so we opened:

2016 Williams Selyem Pinot Noir Ferrington Vineyard Anderson Valley
PnP'd. Robust dark cherry fruit showing earthy vanilla and bright, concentrated elegance, a real mouthful that will age very well. Good Anderson cool-climate acidity but not at all lean or needy.

2015 Williams Selyem Pinot Noir Russian River Valley
PnP'd. Interesting to drink after the '16 WS Ferrington. Was afraid it would show more alcohol but it didn't, just a sweeter, darker fruit closer to marionberry with the more overt Russian River spice. Great showing.
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by David M. Bueker » Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:07 pm

Jenise wrote:2016 Zorah Voski Vayots Dzor


Sounds like a Dothraki wine!

I would love to try that Eyrie Melon. I have looked into buying their wines a number of times, and they have never gotten going on shipping to Connecticut. Oh well. I don't need more wine.
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Jenise » Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:09 pm

Re Madeline Angevine: I looked it up in my copy of the Wine Bible which I have found to be a fairly useless reference work, but it's here in my office and the Jancis book is downstairs, so I looked it up anyway, halfway not expecting to even find an entry for it. But I did on pages 732-733. Which geographical section of the book is that? WASHINGTON STATE.

She parenthetically suggests its mostly grown in England, but there's old Mad Ang listed among the eight principal white grapes of this state along with muscat canelli, another one that was commercially near extinction in 2003 when I got here*. This book was published in 2001, but the text must have been written a decade or more earlier.

*The Madeline Angevine I describe above is a private-label wine grown on a very rich man's farm near the base of Mt. Baker. The only one I know to have been commercially produced, also in my county, was a winery that made a sweet version for it's local fans who were largely old ladies.

Also according to Ms. MacNeil, syrah is a minor grape. Just so you know.
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Jenise » Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:47 pm

David, check out this quick You Tube of Jason Lett describing how Melon accidentally showed up in Oregon (or don't watch it; it came from UC Davis who mistook it for 'pinot blanc'):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMXomvDywCc
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Pat G » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:29 pm

Fascinating lineup and sounds like quite the experience, Jenise. PN and salmon are one of those classic made in heaven matches. I've also had PN with halibut that was great. Our experiences with Anderson Valley PN has been consistently good. Handley, Navarro, come to mind.

Any other great PN pairings you/others would suggest? Recipes/details welcome.
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Rahsaan » Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:13 am

Pat G wrote:Fascinating lineup and sounds like quite the experience, Jenise. PN and salmon are one of those classic made in heaven matches....Any other great PN pairings you/others would suggest? Recipes/details welcome.


Mushrooms are one of my go to pinot noir ingredients. Specific form/cooking method depending on the wine in question and the rest of the meal. But it's one of the first general ingredients I consider. Can't say I've been blown away by pinot noir and salmon, but that could be because I don't drink American PN!
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Jenise » Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:02 pm

Rahsaan, you have a point. Pinot noir is widely accepted as the perfect accompaniament, but to be frank the naked flavor of the fish (sans sauces or glazes) and flavors of pinot aren't at all a match. We taste fungal flavors in the wine, but not seafood! Still, in the Pacific Northwest, it's a widely accepted standard since our rivers are full of salmon and pinot noir is body-wise the best of the readily available red wine options, red wine being the strong local preference due to our cool climate.

I completely agree that anything mushroom is pinot noir's best friend.
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Pat G » Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:19 pm

Agree on mushrooms as well. And type of fish preparation can be key; IMHO lemon juice is for whites only. Reds w/lemon can yield a metallic taste.

What about other proteins? Pork has been a go-to for PN, but maybe should consider others....
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Jenise » Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:19 am

Pat, as someone who makes food to match my wine as much as I choose a wine to match the food, the inherent qualities of the protein are less an issue than the body and overall complexity of the final dish achieved by the augmentations of preparation. At it's most simplest, yes re pinot and pork. Pinot is, for my tastes and cooking style, the most flexible grape there is. But in my kitchen, nothing's standard. Just reviewing things I made recently with pork: braised pork with garlic and herbs? Aged burgundy. Pork chop-green chile-potato gratin? Old Bordeaux. Pork stir-fried in mole sauce on red rice? Chianti. Grilled pork chops on mashed potatoes splashed with a thin and spicy maple-vinegar sauce? Young and fruity American pinot.

Something we did once, inspired by another forumite who drank nothing but Guigal Cotes du Rhone with every meal for a month or so to test the process of adaption more or less forced on rural old world winemakers who have only their own wine to drink--and flush with variety from a recent trip to the Willamette Valley, Bob and I drank nothing but pinot noir for a month. I attempted not to be influenced by the wine in the choices I made re the food I prepared during that time; we ate Mexican and we had steak; we had red sauce Spaghetti, white fish, vegetarian and Chinese. We made no exceptions for the wine, in fact we sought out challenges, and the only influenced choice was which of our many pinots to drink.

What did we learn? That pinot noir was the most versatile grape in the world. Bigger bodied versions for steak, older for long-cooked things, and it's ability to stand in for sangiovese with any Italian red-sauced protein was a game-changer. And more importantly, we became more acutely tuned into pinot's myriad nuances: what had been minor ticks one direction or the other from my idea of perfect became major.

And best of all, I shed all my previous prejudices. What I might previously have thought of as negatives were no longer. Lighter versions were treasured for their delicacy, perfect for something like a mushroom crepe, and bigger bolder ones that I would have hated with that mushroom crepe were in fact perfect for a rare rib eye as both of the William Selyem pinots mentioned here would have been.

Learned a whole more than I expected to, that's for sure. Which is a long answer to your question about pork, but it gives you an idea why I don't champion generalities.
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Rahsaan » Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:08 am

Jenise wrote:Pinot is, for my tastes and cooking style, the most flexible grape there is...


My first reaction was skepticism. But, when you include the worldwide PN, I suppose it makes more sense. Although I probably drink a narrower range of pinot noir, so might not apply to me!

On the salmon front, I never eat it in NC because it's not a local fish and there are so many tasty options from the Atlantic near NC. But the calculation is different in Berlin, as we're eating all North Atlantic fish anyway. So this weekend I cooked my first salmon in a long time. Topped with an artichoke cream it was a lovely match with a 2020 AJ Adam Riesling Kabinett. I suppose I could find a sauce to make it work with PN, but not my first instinct.
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by David M. Bueker » Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:48 am

Artichoke cream sounds more like Grüner territory!
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Rahsaan » Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:52 am

David M. Bueker wrote:Artichoke cream sounds more like Grüner territory!


Could have been a good match as well!

Speaking of GV (and mushrooms), last night it was 2018 Gobelsburg GV Renner which was a great match with schupfnudeln with ricotta, zucchini with basil, and especially roasted oyster mushrooms with sage.

For salmon I might have wanted an even richer GV, although didn't have one at hand. Still, I'm sure it would have been fine.
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by David M. Bueker » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:12 pm

Rahsaan wrote:
David M. Bueker wrote:Artichoke cream sounds more like Grüner territory!


Could have been a good match as well!

Speaking of GV (and mushrooms), last night it was 2018 Gobelsburg GV Renner which was a great match with schupfnudeln with ricotta, zucchini with basil, and especially roasted oyster mushrooms with sage.

For salmon I might have wanted an even richer GV, although didn't have one at hand. Still, I'm sure it would have been fine.


That sounds great - both food and wine!
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:26 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Artichoke cream sounds more like Grüner territory!

Think same could be said for the roasted corn soup I had last weekend?
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Pat G » Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:36 pm

From Jenise:

"Pinot is, for my tastes and cooking style, the most flexible grape there is.

What did we learn? That pinot noir was the most versatile grape in the world. Bigger bodied versions for steak, older for long-cooked things, and it's ability to stand in for sangiovese with any Italian red-sauced protein was a game-changer. And more importantly, we became more acutely tuned into pinot's myriad nuances: what had been minor ticks one direction or the other from my idea of perfect became major."

The entire post was most interesting, Jenise. As are the additional comments of others.

PN, Rose' (of most grapes) and Sparkling Wines are among my go-to versatile wines.

That said, I have noted that many wines are flexible with a variety of dishes. For us, the wine has to be flexible as we often consume over several days, even over a week. And online food-wine matchers can be fun. Give me a food and a wine and often I can find an online matcher that will support that combo. While there are truly good pairings, there are others that can work, too. For special occasions I will deliberately do the wine-food match exercise, usually starting with the wine. But most of the time, it's more casual.

All part of the exploration and fun.
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Re: WTN: When an Oregon winemaker comes to dinner

by Jenise » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:12 am

Yes, though there are the occasional stratospheric matches, most are somewhere between fair and good, the difference being attributable more to the chef's skill in seasoning for a specific wine than the protein itself. Degrees of acidity, oak and presence of secondary nuances due to age make a HUGE difference that none of those online matching sources you refer to would take into account. The generalities leave gaping holes, but it's unavoidable and that's why I advise friends who sometimes ask, "just drink the wines you like with the food you like." People who like sweeter food gravitate toward fruitier wines, and the opposite's also true. I can't train anyone to taste what I do, let alone care about the difference.
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