WTN: Two Charbonos...(short/boring)

Tried these two Charbonos at dinner last night:
1. Turley Charbono TofanelliVnyd/NapaVlly (13.8%) St.Helena 2008: Very dark/near black color w/ little bricking; strong blackberry/boysenberry/bit rustic/mushroomy some earthy/loamy some dusty/OV light toasty/oak almost Languedoc-like rather interesting nose; very slight cedary/pencilly/oldRed soft fairly rich/lush strong blackberry/plummy rather earthy/dusty/OV bit rustic/loamy/mushroomy/ContraCosta-like slight metallic/drying light toasty/oak flavor w/ light bit drying tannins; med.long soft fairly lush/rich light blackberry/plummy rather earthy/rustic/loamy/rough/coarse/bit metallic slight blackberry/licorice/plummy finish w/ light coarse/drying tannins; showing a bit of age but in fairly good shape; shows lots of rustic/bit coarse Charbono some like an older Languedoc Carignane, a bit like an older Cline ContraCosta Carignane.
________________
2. Ridge Charbono FredianiVnyd/Calistoga/NapaVlly (5% Zin; 13.0%; 10 brls; bttld Feb 2021; Drk: 3/21-3/27-3/28: JO/MB; tataric acid) Healdsburg 2019: Dark color; much brighter/youthful blackberry/licorice some earthy/loamy/rustic slight graphite/ozone light vanilla/Am.oak bit complex nose; fairly soft slight metallic/tangy slight blackberry/plummy rather earthy/dusty/rough/coarse some dusty/OV light Am.oak/vanilla slight graphite/ozone/pungent bit complex flavor w/ some rough/rustic/bitey tannins; long bit soft some metallic/tangy rather rough/coarse/earthy/dusty/OV light blackberry/licorice light vanilla/Am.oak finish w/ modest rough/coarse tannins; a rather earthy/loamy/coarse/rustic red some like a ContraCosta Carignane but less fruit; not a particularly attractive red & not speaks much of Ridge; interesting is about the best you can say about it. $36.00 (ATP)
_______________________________
A wee BloodyPulpit:
1. This is one of the first post-EricBauer Ridge wines I've seen. The Drk date comes from JO/MB. I have no idea who MB is, if it's a real person. My guess is that it stands for JohnOlney/MonteBello to emphasize that this is the post-EricBauer era at Ridge.
________________
2. Charbono: Known as Corbeau de Savoie in France where it was supposidely originated. Known in Argentina as Bonarda. Also known as DouceNoir. It has dwindled down to near nothing in Calif, mostly in a few Calistoga vnyds. It has somewhat of a cult following. I've no idea why, though. Iglenook used to make a rather interesting Charbono back in its day. Charbono used to be the bakckbone component of the BV Special Burgundy, which was quite a good, though not Burgundian, red. Probably the best Charbono these days is made by EnricoBertoz/Arbe Garbe, from the ShypokeVnyd.
Tom

[David M. Bueker]

Given the Calistoga origins of the Ridge wine, wouldn’t that have likely been a John Olney wine even before Eric’s departure?

Given the Calistoga origins of the Ridge wine, wouldn’t that have likely been a John Olney wine even before Eric’s departure?

Not necessarily, David. YorkCreek is made at MB.
Tom

[David M. Bueker]

p.s. it’s Eric Baugher

p.s. it’s Eric Baugher

See... he's a nobody already. Fame is so fleeting.
Tom

I believe there's still Charbono at Brandlin Ranch on Mt. Veeder (currently owned by Cuvaison. And I believe Peter Franus still has rights to those grapes. I vinified it for a number of years, and it was lovely stuff, a bit on the bassy side, but much depth, and the Brandlin perfume that marked all the grapes from there.

[David M. Bueker]

You vilified it?

Spell-check strikes again.

[Jenise]

Bonarda = charbono? Had no idea.