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WTN: Forlorn-Hope Ost-Intrigen St.Laurent RicciVnyd '14..(sh

by TomHill » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:42 pm

Taking one for the team, I cracked last night:
1. Forlorn-Hope Ost-Intrigen St.Laurent RicciVnyd/Carneros (11.06; 142 cs) Murphys 2014: Med.dark color w/ light bricking; strong earthy/loamy/compost pile/forest floor light pencilly/oak some plummy/Pinotish/St.L somewhat rustic interesting/complex nose; wquite tart/tangy rather lean/hard quite earthy/loamy/compost pile/decaying leaves light plummy/St.L/licorice rustic bit Carneros Pinotish flavor w/ light smooth tannins; med.long rather earthy/loamy/compost pile light St.L/plummy/Pinotish bit pencilly/oak rather rustic finish w/ light tangy tannins; shows some/a lot of the earthy/loamy character you find some in Burgenland St.L but not as high-toned/Pinotish as those tend to be; dominated by the gout de terroir & not particularly attractive, only interesting in the sense of Quasimodo; would like more fruit & richness; a bit on the anemic side but speaks of St.L with a whisper.
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1. Terroir: Back in the days in which I was learning about wine, the British writers often used the term "gout de terroir"...the taste of the earth. It was not particularly a complimentary term. It meant that earthy/loamy character that was displayed in this F-H in spades. Not a site-specific earthiness, but a composty taste of earth & loam.
Then, back in the '80's-'90's, the term "terroir" was high-jacked by all these high-falutin' wine snobs to mean the taste in a wine that comes from a specific site, a combination of the soil, the climate, the location, and the interpretation of the winemaker. Now these high-falutin' folks like to babble on & on about "terroir", ad naseaum, and it means something totally different from "gout de terroir" that I learned about back in the days of yore.
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Re: WTN: Forlorn-Hope Ost-Intrigen St.Laurent RicciVnyd '14.

by Jenise » Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:36 pm

Did you have this when younger to compare this to? I've not had any young California St. Laurents but for the Cruse nat-pet, which was amazing.
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Yup...

by TomHill » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:17 pm

Jenise wrote:Did you have this when younger to compare this to? I've not had any young California St. Laurents but for the Cruse nat-pet, which was amazing.


Yup, Jenise... had it on release. I recall moderately liking it because it had much more fruit and only a light earthy/loamy character. Now... not so much fruit and dominated by the gout de terroir (in the old sense of the term).
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