White Pinot Noir.

Has any ever tried a White Pinot Noir, and if so, do you like it? I just recently discovered that it even exist and am very interested in trying it but cant find it. If you have tried it, can you give me a few tasting notes and let me know what you would pair it with?

Has any ever tried a White Pinot Noir, and if so, do you like it? I just recently discovered that it even exist and am very interested in trying it but cant find it. If you have tried it, can you give me a few tasting notes and let me know what you would pair it with?

AdamLee made a few at Siduri yrs ago. OK but just that. Undistinguished. I recall a few from OR as well. Mostly from saingee juice.
Tom

Pinot Noir enters into the composition of nearly all Champagne; exceptions being some "blanc de blanc" cuvées made from Chardonnay and perhaps a few made from Pinot Meunier (I have never had one of those). There are also several "blanc de noir" cuvées made from Pinot Noir; one from Egly-Ouriet at Ambonnay being perhaps the best known and most likely to be exported to the USA.

I vaguely recall having a still white Pinot Noir a long time ago, but my records show that in the past 14 years all have been sparkling, including:
2008 Badischer Winzerkeller Pinot Noir 48 - Pinot Blanc de Noirs Brut (Germany, Baden)

N.V. J.C. Le Roux Pinot Noir Brut MCC (South Africa, Western Cape

N.V. Champagne Raymond Boulard Champagne Grand Cru Brut Nature Mailly (France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru)

2001 Chapel Down Pinot Reserve Kent (United Kingdom, England, Kent)

2010 Camel Valley Pinot Noir Brut (United Kingdom, England, South West, Cornwall)

As has been stated, most Champagne blends include Pinot Noir and Pinot Meunier, and a Blanc de Noir Champagne is made only from one or both Pinots.

Pinot Meunier is a mutation of Pinot Noir -- as indeed are Pinot Blanc and Pinot Gris/Grigio which are usually made as still white wines.

I guess if a vineyard has planted Pinot Noir it's because they intend using the grapes for a red or sparkling wine. If their initial intention is to make a white wine then they'd plant white grapes, and I expect red Pinot Noir wine would command a higher price than if they used the grapes to make a still white.

But that doesn't answer your request for a tasting note and food matching suggestion. Sorry!

[Robin Garr]

Generally speaking, though, with the exceptions of experimental rarities and, of course, Champagne with Pinot in the blend, white pinot noir is a cheap wine made from cheap grapes, not good for much but quaffing. Does your white pinot cost less than $10 or so? It won't impress you, and it wasn't intended to do so.

[David M. Bueker]

I have forgotten the specifics, but didn't Domaine Henri Gouges have a plot of Pinot Noir that mutated into a blanc variety?

Not cheap, but probably more interesting.

[Jenise]

I've had five or six of them Jelana. (Btw, welcome to our forum!) One long ago from So Africa, and more recently several from Oregon, and one from British Columbia. So they're around, but in my experience because production is small* they're typically only available at winery tasting rooms and will cost in the $30-40 range.

*Small because it's not a white grape, it's a "saignee" as Tom Hill said. It's a by-product of making actual pinot noir. A minority of the juice is pressed off and removed from the skins immediately after pressing so it never gains color or becomes rose (a few more hours). The pinot noir eventually made will be more characterful with a smaller percentage of juice on 100% of the original skins. (Forgive me for over-explaining if you already knew all this.)

tasted one, from a winery in Finger Lakes..was not impressed..they do a much better job with their red PN's, riesling and sparkling wines

One long ago from So Africa,

I've just checked this year's Platter 2020 South African Wine Guide*. They list eight producers of still white wine made from red/black grapes and I looked at the entries for all eight.

Not one from Pinot Noir - varieties used were Cinsaut, Pinotage, Cabernet and Merlot

* The 40th Anniversary annual edition scores 8,000 wines from 900 producers. Amazing.

[Jenise]

Not one from Pinot Noir - varieties used were Cinsaut, Pinotage, Cabernet and Merlot

As I said, it was long ago. Bought if from my friend at Southern Hemisphere Wines in Huntington Beach, California. They're South African, and importers from all over that half the globe.

I don’t know about Gouges, but Chevillon has, or had, some of those mutated white PN vines. I remember finding some bottles of it back in the mid-00’s. It was interesting enough but not really sufficient to justify the $40/bottle it cost back then (and based on subsequent changes in Chevillon pricing I’d expect it to have doubled by now).

Has any ever tried a White Pinot Noir, and if so, do you like it? I just recently discovered that it even exist and am very interested in trying it but cant find it. If you have tried it, can you give me a few tasting notes and let me know what you would pair it with?

A post today on another forum had a brief TN on a white Pinot Noir, which was from Furleigh Estate
https://www.furleighestate.co.uk/produc ... +noir+2017

The TN reads
Quite sharp, hints of stone fruit and citrus…so a nice mouthful but limited on the length. Lowish alcohol at 11%.
Conclusion good to try …as it’s down the road…Furleigh Estates fizz is in a different class.

I have forgotten the specifics, but didn't Domaine Henri Gouges have a plot of Pinot Noir that mutated into a blanc variety?.

There was a mutation on one of their pinot noir vines in the Musigny vineyard that produced a cluster of white grapes. They were able to clone "Musigny blanc" vines from that. This is the same way that pinot blanc and pinot gris got their starts centuries ago.

Chardonnay is allowed to be planted in AOC Musigny. It's the only grand cru on the Cote de Nuits where that is allowed. De Vogue has produced a Bourgogne blanc from chardonnay grown on their plot in Musigny for years, labelled AOC Bourgogne blanc. In 2015 the appellation authorities granted grand cru status to Musigny blanc. I don't know if that mutation of pinot noir is allowed in AOC Musigny Blanc. It would be ironic if Musigny Blanc has to be made exclusively from chardonnay and thus the white pinot noir mutation was excluded.

-Paul W.

Turns out I tasted the Gourges white Pinot clone 10 years ago. Weird wine. I wrote that it reminded me of a marriage of Viognier and Sauvignon Blanc. Which isn't something I'd be too eager to drink as a blend from anywhere, let alone something out of Burgundy.