Moderators: Jenise, Robin Garr, David M. Bueker
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Robin Garr wrote:(This week's 30 Second Wine Advisor)
But wait! It gets worse! W. Blake Gray at Wine-Searcher.com opined Tuesday that the tariff would be imposed on the wines as they enter the U.S. State and local taxes would then be added, Gray said, based on the import price; which would that the actual price increase could be closer to 30 percent: A wine that is now $20 could become $26, which is a big psychological leap. (This opinion is not universally held. Watch for discussion on this post.)
David M. Bueker wrote:... If all tiers of markup remain at the same percentage as before the tariffs (i.e. nobody decides to take a bigger cut and blame the tariffs), and there is no change to state tax rules, then a 25% tariff results in a 25% increase to the consumer.
I have seen at least ten stories, and countless social media posts, claiming that 25% tariffs will result in anywhere from 30-60% increases to the consumer. It’s all BS. A 25% tariff is exactly the same from a shelf price standpoint as a 25% increase from the winery. Somebody has to get greedy for it to be any more than that to the consumer.
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
34947
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
34947
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
34947
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Robin Garr wrote:But stronger wines, which are increasingly available in this warming age, won't be taxed. Neither will wines from Italy or Portugal, Eastern Europe, and the rest of the world.
Tim York wrote:Interesting! Is this another attack by the Trump administration on the integrity of the EU by singling out French and German wines?.
How far do you think that wine sales are price sensitive in the USA? It's my guess that it is wines currently selling for less than c.$30-40 which will be most affected with the damage getting progressively greater the lower the present price. Above that level, higher prices could add trophy appeal. Californian competition is not exactly restrained in price.
Hopefully for us EU consumers, softening US demand in the <€30 range will take pressure off prices here.
This weekend, Jancis Robinson has devoted her FT column to highlighting the price escalation in wine at all levels, especially the higher end. This seems anomalous at a time when central bankers are regularly undershooting their inflation targets.
Robin Garr wrote:Tim York wrote:Interesting! Is this another attack by the Trump administration on the integrity of the EU by singling out French and German wines?.
Tim, I don't know, but if I recall correctly, one of the articles suggested that it was a targeted move against countries that house large Airbus factories.
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
34947
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker wrote:Let’s go back to the underlying authorization for these tariffs, which is the WTO decision that Germany, Spain, France and the UK unfairly subsidized Airbus. That is why most of the bigger targets of the tariffs are from those countries.
The case that the USA brought against Airbus as the WTO was initiated in 2004. It was not a Trump administration action that led to the WTO’s decision.
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
Tim York wrote:
Well, I'm all in favour of the WTO. Can we be confident that the US administration will respect its decisions when they they are unfavourable to it or to Boeing?
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
34947
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Tim York wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:Let’s go back to the underlying authorization for these tariffs, which is the WTO decision that Germany, Spain, France and the UK unfairly subsidized Airbus. That is why most of the bigger targets of the tariffs are from those countries.
The case that the USA brought against Airbus as the WTO was initiated in 2004. It was not a Trump administration action that led to the WTO’s decision.
Well, I'm all in favour of the WTO. Can we be confident that the US administration will respect its decisions when they they are unfavourable to it or to Boeing?
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