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TN: 3 Grower Champagnes

by geo t. » Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:05 pm

Since going on my bubbly binge during the recent MLB playoffs and World Series, I’ve continued to investigate the varieties of the sparkling wine experience, and hooking up with a Champagne geek like Brad Baker has been most enlightening; the man has displayed a wealth of knowledge, and I’m lovin' it, trying new sparklers three or four times a week. Brad and his wife Michele dropped in for dinner and drinks not long ago, and what better drinks could we have than Champagnes from three artisanal grower-producers? (Readers may also be interested in comparing the following notes with Brad's take of these selections.)

Pierre Moncuit Le Mesnil Grand Cru Blanc de Blancs Brut NVPierre Moncuit Cuvee Pierre Moncuit-Delos Grand Cru Blanc de Blancs Brut NV, Le Mesnil-sur-Oger, 12% alc., disgorged 09/05.: Pale gold in color, with all the trimmings (good mousse, fine active bead); big toasty, yeasty bread dough and yellow apple flavors and aromas. Medium full body, rich and delicious, with excellent zip and intensity; made entirely from Chardonnay, sells for around $30. This estate is situated in Mesnil-sur-Oger, with about 25 hectares of vineyards planted exclusively to Chardonnay, all wines being produced from a single vintage, even those labeled non-vintage. Yves Moncuit takes care of business, while Nicole Moncuit tends the vines and makes the wines.

Imported by AHD Vintners, Ltd., Warren, MI

Jean Laurent Brut Rosé NV, $46.99, 12% alc., disgorged in either August or September of 2005: Salmon/strawberry pink color, with strawberry, watermelon and cherry flavors and aromas; not really toasty, not really yeasty; Brad calls it meaty, adding that it’s not feminine, but rather masculine. Really shows its 100% Pinot Noir makeup more and more with air, and a certain creamy quality emerges as well, along with a note of smoke. The clear favorite of the three tasted here; even Kim, who is no bubble-head, likes it. Aged a minimum of five years on yeast. According to the Hand Picked Selections website, Jean Laurent’s family has been growing Champagne in the village of Celles sur Ource, located in the Aube region, for over 1,000 years; Laurent limits yields to below authorized maximums and uses a minimum of herbicides and pesticides, thanks to repeated plowing, hand care and organic fertilization. We’ve already made our admiration for his wines known, and this one only strengthens that respect.

Imported by Hand Picked Selections, Warrenton, VA

Alfred Gratien Brut Cuvée Paridis NV, 12% alc.: Golden color, with bull mousse, medium active bead and Don Ho (tiny) bubbles; somewhat oxidized, but in a good way, and obviously an older bottle, with a rich nutty, sherried character than doesn’t show a lot of fruit. Brad added impressions of “baking spice and a creamy nutty finish.” This opens nicely with air, becoming more and more enjoyable, but still finished third among these three in my opinion, despite Brad’s observation that it’s “very old school, just the way Krug does it.” Champagne Alfred Gratien is located in Epernay, and Cuvée Paridis is produced from approximately 75% Chardonnay, 15% Pinot Noir, and 10% Pinot Meunier; we were unable to deduce a date for disgorgement of this bottle. $75-100 is simply too much money to pay for what we found in the bottle on this occasion.

Imported by New Castle Imports, Inc., Myrtle Beach, SC

-From More Drawing of the Threes

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Re: TN: 3 Grower Champagnes

by James G. Lester » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:25 am

Geo,

Rae Lee and I had the Moncuit BdeB in Chicago with a new friend and customer Damien Casten. Damien works for a distributor that has the brand for the Chicago market. All I can tell you is that Rae Lee and I looked at each other and said, "We need a case!" Wine Genius Bob Bansberg of Ambria loved it as well. I am sold on the small producers!! You get more of everything great about Champagne for half the price!!

I like the BdeB Gratien Cuvee Paradis best--ethereal lightness of being with laserbeam essence of Chardonnay and frosted mousse. The BdeN is not far behind, but like you I found the Brut a tad heavy. Still a fine old house and not as well known as it deserves.

The Laurent is still in my happy future!

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Re: TN: 3 Grower Champagnes

by geo t. » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:29 am

James G. Lester wrote:The Laurent is still in my happy future!


We'll make sure of that, Jim!

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by Mark Lipton » Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:27 pm

James G. Lester wrote:Wine Genius Bob Bansberg of Ambria loved it as well.


Is he in charge of the wine list there? I confess that our one dining experience at Ambria (perhaps 3 years ago) left us very unimpressed, with food, service and wine list. Did we miss something?

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Re: TN: 3 Grower Champagnes

by James G. Lester » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:33 am

Mark,

Last time we ate there was over 7 years ago. It was one of the best meals of my life. I have heard that things are different now, but hadn't heard that they had gone downhill! Sorry to hear that. Bob is still in charge of the wine list, but he and Gabino Sotellino have trained new folks to take over. That business burns people out!

Bob is a true gentleman and has one of the best palates I have ever encountered. He used to bring his wine class from Kendall College over to our vineyard each year to see a real working vineyard and to show the class first hand that wine is an agricultural product! I don't think he teaches any more either. I will be visiting Ambria soon as they sell our Chardonnay on their wine list. I will ask him all the latest and get back to you on it.

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by Mark Lipton » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:00 pm

James G. Lester wrote:Mark,

Last time we ate there was over 7 years ago. It was one of the best meals of my life. I have heard that things are different now, but hadn't heard that they had gone downhill! Sorry to hear that. Bob is still in charge of the wine list, but he and Gabino Sotellino have trained new folks to take over. That business burns people out!

Bob is a true gentleman and has one of the best palates I have ever encountered. He used to bring his wine class from Kendall College over to our vineyard each year to see a real working vineyard and to show the class first hand that wine is an agricultural product! I don't think he teaches any more either. I will be visiting Ambria soon as they sell our Chardonnay on their wine list. I will ask him all the latest and get back to you on it.


Thanks, Jim. It's always dangerous judging a restaurant (or any business) on the basis of one visit, but when they fail on all three counts, there's not a lot of incentive to come back, especially at that tariff. FWIW, we have yet to find a reasonably priced French restaurant in Chicago that really impressed.

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Re: TN: 3 Grower Champagnes

by James G. Lester » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:34 pm

Mark,
Have you tried Le Francais in Wheeling? Chef Roland Liccione is back and the place is under new ownership. We haven't eaten there yet, but I have had appetizers once. Everything was delicious. Their Sommelier, Bruce Crofts, just left unfortunately due to some family issues. Roland is considered one of Chicago's greatest chefs and he was classically trained in France.

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Re: TN: 3 Grower Champagnes

by Mark Lipton » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:10 pm

James G. Lester wrote:Mark,
Have you tried Le Francais in Wheeling? Chef Roland Liccione is back and the place is under new ownership. We haven't eaten there yet, but I have had appetizers once. Everything was delicious. Their Sommelier, Bruce Crofts, just left unfortunately due to some family issues. Roland is considered one of Chicago's greatest chefs and he was classically trained in France.


Thanks for the recommendation, Jim. Since, as you know, we live in Chicago's outermost SE suburb :lol: Wheeling takes an extra-special effort to get to. We're also parents of a two-year-old now, so that also complicates our outings somewhat. But, we will get to it and I'll report back if I can remember.

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Re: TN: 3 Grower Champagnes

by Dave Erickson » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:45 pm

I'm happy to see that Pierre Moncuit is apparently getting some decent distribution in the U.S. I found the Delos particularly wonderful.

...and the Gratien Cuvee Paradis is terrific stuff, as is the rose version, which has these sort of grilled orange notes on the nose.
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Re: TN: 3 Grower Champagnes

by James G. Lester » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:10 pm

Thanks for the recommendation, Jim. Since, as you know, we live in Chicago's outermost SE suburb :lol: Wheeling takes an extra-special effort to get to. We're also parents of a two-year-old now, so that also complicates our outings somewhat. But, we will get to it and I'll report back if I can remember.

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Mark, I take it you mean that you live in Merrillville or somewhere in the NW of IN. We live in South Bend. Congrats on the little one! Love 2 year olds! Need a sitter?

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