The place for all things wine, focused on serious wine discussions.

Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

Moderators: Jenise, Robin Garr, David M. Bueker

no avatar
User

Isaac

Rank

Ultra geek

Posts

304

Joined

Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:08 pm

Location

Corvallis, Oregon

Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Isaac » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:26 am

Can this be for real? Mouton Cadet receiving a score in the 90's?

The Wine Advocate The dense ruby/purple-hued, fresh, vivacious 2004 Mouton-Rothschild offers hints of new saddle leather, truffles, cassis, and pain grille, zesty acidity, a touch of austerity, and a medium-bodied, streamlined, restrained personality. This rich, pure claret will require patience as it needs a decade of cellaring to shed its lofty tannins. Anticipated maturity: 2015-2045. Score: 91-93. —Robert Parker, June 2006.

Is Mr Parker having us on? Or is the Wine Buyer?
no avatar
User

Robin Garr

Rank

Forum Janitor

Posts

21625

Joined

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:44 pm

Location

Louisville, KY

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Robin Garr » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:30 am

Isaac wrote:Can this be for real? Mouton Cadet receiving a score in the 90's?

The Wine Advocate The dense ruby/purple-hued, fresh, vivacious 2004 Mouton-Rothschild offers hints of new saddle leather, truffles, cassis, and pain grille, zesty acidity, a touch of austerity, and a medium-bodied, streamlined, restrained personality. This rich, pure claret will require patience as it needs a decade of cellaring to shed its lofty tannins. Anticipated maturity: 2015-2045. Score: 91-93. —Robert Parker, June 2006.

Is Mr Parker having us on? Or is the Wine Buyer?


Isaac, the Bob appears to be reviewing Chateau Mouton-Rothschild 2004 Pauillac, a first-growth of Bordeaux that's rare and justifiably expensive. Mouton-Cadet comes from the same company, but that's about the only connection. As an analogy, albeit a poor one, if Ch. Mouton-Rothschild is akin to Mondavi Reserve Cabernet, then Mouton-Cadet is Mondavi Coastal.
no avatar
User

Rahsaan

Rank

Wild and Crazy Guy

Posts

9245

Joined

Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:20 pm

Location

New York, NY

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Rahsaan » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:32 am

Isaac wrote:Can this be for real? Mouton Cadet receiving a score in the 90's?

The Wine Advocate The dense ruby/purple-hued, fresh, vivacious 2004 Mouton-Rothschild


I don't know if there is a typo in one of your entries, but Mouton Rothschild is definitely not Mouton Cadet, and 91-93 points for M Rothschild sounds like the appropriately low score for a first growth that one might expect Parker to give in a vintage like 2004. But, that's from someone (me) who doesn't read the Wine Advocate, so, others may have more insight.
no avatar
User

Dan Donahue

Rank

Ultra geek

Posts

359

Joined

Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:02 pm

Location

IL

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Dan Donahue » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:34 am

The tip off is the drinking window. "Good" Cadets can hold a month or two.
no avatar
User

Isaac

Rank

Ultra geek

Posts

304

Joined

Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:08 pm

Location

Corvallis, Oregon

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Isaac » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:21 pm

If there is an error, it is not mine.

http://www.thewinebuyer.com/182583?id=5oC3dern
no avatar
User

Isaac

Rank

Ultra geek

Posts

304

Joined

Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:08 pm

Location

Corvallis, Oregon

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Isaac » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:23 pm

Dan Donahue wrote:The tip off is the drinking window. "Good" Cadets can hold a month or two.
That's somewhat more in line with what I thought, but who am I to argue with one of Robin's advertisers? Indeed, not only an advertiser, but "The ONLY place to buy wine online!"
no avatar
User

Robin Garr

Rank

Forum Janitor

Posts

21625

Joined

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:44 pm

Location

Louisville, KY

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Robin Garr » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:34 pm

Isaac wrote:If there is an error, it is not mine.

http://www.thewinebuyer.com/182583?id=5oC3dern


Whoa! They've definitely got the wrong description on the wrong wine!

I suspect it's an honest if careless mistake, though. I know the folks at WineBuyer.com - in fact, they periodically advertise with us. That's not their style. I'll drop a note to my contact there and point it out.
no avatar
User

JC (NC)

Rank

Lifelong Learner

Posts

6679

Joined

Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 pm

Location

Fayetteville, NC

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by JC (NC) » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:08 pm

That kind of error must drive Parker nuts.
no avatar
User

Randy Buckner

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

1708

Joined

Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:46 am

Location

Puget Sound

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Randy Buckner » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:02 pm

I must be missing something. I do not see a rating....
no avatar
User

JC (NC)

Rank

Lifelong Learner

Posts

6679

Joined

Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 pm

Location

Fayetteville, NC

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by JC (NC) » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:06 pm

Maybe the website got the word from Robin Garr or someone and corrected the listing. The description and rating for Mouton Rothschild were attached to ad for Mouton Cadet previously.
no avatar
User

Isaac

Rank

Ultra geek

Posts

304

Joined

Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:08 pm

Location

Corvallis, Oregon

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Isaac » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:16 pm

Randy Buckner wrote:I must be missing something. I do not see a rating....
The original text, contained in my first post, includes the rating 91-93 points. It has since been removed.
no avatar
User

Oliver McCrum

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

1075

Joined

Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am

Location

Oakland, CA; Cigliè, Piedmont

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Oliver McCrum » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:22 pm

As an aside, I love 'pain grille' (presumably should be 'grillé') when they could have said 'toast.'
Oliver
Oliver McCrum Wines
no avatar
User

JC (NC)

Rank

Lifelong Learner

Posts

6679

Joined

Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 pm

Location

Fayetteville, NC

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by JC (NC) » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:27 pm

Glad you are non-snobbish that way, Oliver.
no avatar
User

Paul Winalski

Rank

Wok Wielder

Posts

8052

Joined

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm

Location

Merrimack, New Hampshire

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Paul Winalski » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:26 pm

Isaac wrote:
Randy Buckner wrote:I must be missing something. I do not see a rating....
The original text, contained in my first post, includes the rating 91-93 points. It has since been removed.


Clearly a mistake by the wine merchant, who has since corrected it. But if you click on the words "Mouton Cadet" on that page, you're taken to another page that has some icons with numeric ratings from various critics, and it still says there that The Wine Advocate gave it a 91, so they haven't completley corrected themselves yet.

I'm not sure I would buy anything from a merchant who can't tell the difference between Mouton-Rothschild and Mouton-Cadet. As mistakes go, this one's a real howler.

-Paul W.
no avatar
User

Sam Platt

Rank

I am Sam, Sam I am

Posts

2330

Joined

Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:22 pm

Location

Indiana, USA

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Sam Platt » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:31 pm

Paul Winalski wrote:Clearly a mistake by the wine merchant, who has since corrected it.


So you're saying I won't be able to pay for my Daughter's college education with the 30 cases of '04 Cadet I just picked up!? Who do I sue? I think Parker has the deepest pockets. :wink:
Sam

"The biggest problem most people have is that they think they shouldn't have any." - Tony Robbins
no avatar
User

Jenise

Rank

FLDG Dishwasher

Posts

42703

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm

Location

The Pacific Northest Westest

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Jenise » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:57 pm

Robin Garr wrote:
Isaac wrote:If there is an error, it is not mine.

http://www.thewinebuyer.com/182583?id=5oC3dern


Whoa! They've definitely got the wrong description on the wrong wine!

I suspect it's an honest if careless mistake, though. I know the folks at WineBuyer.com - in fact, they periodically advertise with us. That's not their style. I'll drop a note to my contact there and point it out.


You might suggest they check the rating on the 2003 Guigal Cotes du Rhone too, Robin. I've tasted the wine, and no way would Parker have given it a 90 ("exceptional character and complexity") rating.
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov
no avatar
User

Randy Buckner

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

1708

Joined

Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:46 am

Location

Puget Sound

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Randy Buckner » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:11 pm

You might suggest they check the rating on the 2003 Guigal Cotes du Rhone too, Robin. I've tasted the wine, and no way would Parker have given it a 90 ("exceptional character and complexity") rating.


Another wine site has a Parker 88 for the wine -- "Dense, medium-bodied, and lightly tannic, it is a surprisingly big, substantial Cotes du Rhone in keeping with the finest efforts of the vintage." The Guigal CdP is rated 90.

Someone is either sloppy or deliberately trying to mislead the consumer. One would hope it is the former.
no avatar
User

Thomas

Rank

Senior Flamethrower

Posts

3768

Joined

Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:23 pm

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Thomas » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:44 pm

These mistakes have the smell of an untrained staff person having been given the job of creating the catalog--untrained in wine labels and maybe in wine too.
Thomas P
no avatar
User

Jon Peterson

Rank

The Court Winer

Posts

2981

Joined

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:53 pm

Location

The Blue Crab State

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Jon Peterson » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:58 pm

What should I do with the 100 cases I bought right after the first post?
no avatar
User

Jenise

Rank

FLDG Dishwasher

Posts

42703

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm

Location

The Pacific Northest Westest

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Jenise » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:49 pm

Jon Peterson wrote:What should I do with the 100 cases I bought right after the first post?


Sell them on ebay? :)
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov
no avatar
User

Thomas

Rank

Senior Flamethrower

Posts

3768

Joined

Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:23 pm

Re: Can this be for real? (Caution: Parker content)

by Thomas » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:04 pm

Jenise wrote:
Jon Peterson wrote:What should I do with the 100 cases I bought right after the first post?


Sell them on ebay? :)


Not a bad idea--look how much that old sandwich grabbed a little while ago. You can say it's the wine that was served at the marriage feast at Cana, where the guests gave it a 91.
Thomas P

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: ClaudeBot and 2 guests

Powered by phpBB ® | phpBB3 Style by KomiDesign