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Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Jenise » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:15 pm

The wine values across the board were astonishing except at the very upper tier. I was less impressed with what you can drink for over, say, $100, as I knew those were there anyway even if they're relative bargains compared to US prices for the same wines. What instead made the largest impression on me was the quality you can drink for $20 or less. I'm way too used to the high prices of wine in America even for American wines, and this was a good wake-up call.

Beaujolais is one of the most beautiful wine areas in France, maybe THE most beautiful. It hadn't actually been on our itinerary. It just popped onto Bob's and mine when our five-day self-piloted river cruise got sunk, literally, by the risen rivers. The other couples headed north, we went south. To make it an adventure, I told Bob we were going to go in search of the mysterious Metras bojos and explained why they we should want them. A fruitless mission, I fully expected (especially for people who don't speak French) but hey, this was about having fun.

So outside of Juliennas, we stopped into a wine store and asked the owner if he carried the wines. His eyes rolled, "No, I can't get them," he said. I explained my mission and his eyes rolled again. Apparently Metras is notoriously elusive and temperamental even among his own people. And so it went at several more stops, but it was fun asking and conversations pinpointed Fleurie as ground zero, and furthermore we had acquired the name of a vigneron known to be one of Metras' best friends and he was headquartered there too. If we were lucky enough to find the friend, then he might help us get a few bottles. But before we got that far, we arrived in Fleurie and saw a tiny wine store on the tiny town square and inquired there. And voila, the hunt was over. The seller not only knew the friend of Metras and carried his wine, he also had some Metras bottles. I brought home some of both. Btw, I asked the wine seller his opinion on who makes the best wine in all of Beaujolais. His answer? Foillard.

We stayed in Fleurie, but also got to drive through all the hilly/pastoral Beaujolais Cru towns except Brouilly. I now have a mental image to match to future tastes. I saw the Cote de Py!

A day spent in Arbois (the Jura) was interesting. Sitting in a restaurant surrounded by animal heads and hunting paraphenalia felt more like someplace closer to Bavaria than Burgundy. The foods were as different as the wine. Heavy, smoky with manly portions. We tasted at several places, and the wines of Stephane Tissot stood out among those. In particular, I fell in love with his Trousseaus aged in amphora, and bought a few to bring home. Hard to believe we were just 90 minutes away from Beaune.

Beaune has changed a lot since I was there about 19-20 years ago. Tasting rooms everywhere. Restaurant food more touristy--just wander around Beaune and try to find a place that DOESN'T have Beef Bourgogne on the menu. Or Jambon persille, much as I love it. And salads? Almost nonexistent. But living right in the heart of town, in an apartment that dates from the 16th century but has been remodeled in grand style with a lot of art, above a bistro, which was next to a charcuterie store and a patisserie on the Rue Monge, was exciting and wonderful. On Sunday mornings, an accordian player set up a chair below our window. Okay, so he only knew five songs--but our lives sounded like a French movie cliche, and I loved it.

I got real sick of cheese, real fast. Indulged for the first ten days, then stayed away for the last ten. Never even took a bite of the Epoisses I specifically went to that village to buy.

But I have a newfound respect for gougeres and the many ways they can be approached, from rustic to sublimely elegant works of patisserie artistry. I must work on this.

We visited several wineries in the Pouilly Fuisse region of the Macon, ditto Chablis later in the trip. We also drove through lovely Mercurey and the Cote (or is it Cotes) Chalonnaise, which I had not realized were adjoining regions. More lessons learned.

I brought home 28 bottles of wine. Haven't unpacked them yet but am guessing my purchases are about 65/35 white to red. The only non-Burgundy I brought home was a 2001 Rayas Fonsalette.

We didn't take wine luggage with us but were thrilled to find Todd French's Wine Checks for sale in several Burgundy locations. We bought two, and that's how 24 of the bottles got home. (You should have seen my husband's face when I told him we were each going to have to stuff two bottles in our already over-filled luggage. Along with four cans of foie gras.)

On the way home, we spent a few hours at Heathrow. The wines on offer in the BA Lounge were sauv blancs, chardonnays and a few reds from California, South Africa and New Zealand. After Burgundy, everything tasted like gasoline. (Or gazoyl, if you drive diesel.) We hoped for better on the plane, after all we were in biz class. And guess what the featured white was? Kendall Jackson chardonnay. We skipped the whites and had a few glasses of a very nice Montecillo rioja instead.

Due to illness I've not had another glass of wine since, and it's been a week. Going to be hard easing back into my old ways, which are a mix of old and new world styles.

Viva la France!
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Rahsaan » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:34 pm

Jenise wrote:Beaujolais is one of the most beautiful wine areas in France, maybe THE most beautiful.


Nice. I've heard that and always wanted to go, especially given my love of Beaujolais wines.

Jenise wrote:I brought home 28 bottles of wine. Haven't unpacked them yet but am guessing my purchases are about 65/35 white to red.


Nice. Was that two special suitcases dedicated to wine? Given the extra cost of paying for extra baggage, what kind of wines were you buying to make it worthwhile? Wines with good provenance and some age on them that are hard to find in good condition in the US? (Those are the kinds of Burgundies I bring back, plenty of young wine available in the States, although I'm not clamoring for special allocations of the Super Cherries)
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Jenise » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:47 pm

Yes, two special suitcases. We were allocated four total in business class and they didn't make any noise about the weight.

Mostly I bought wines I would never see here at home and mementos of good tasting experiences that would bring the trip back with just a sip. A few back vintages but actually didn't luck into many of that kind to buy that would have been good values compared to current pricing here at home.

I'm still trying to figure out how to get more '14 Ramonet 'Boudriotte' for $24 a bottle sent here. I bought two as that was all I had room for at that point (without selling out the space reserved for Chablis), but if I'd been able to bring home one more case it would have been that.
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Robin Garr » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:48 pm

Great report! It makes me want to go book a flight RIGHT NOW. :mrgreen:
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:50 pm

Yeah right 28 bottles..how you do that?
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Robin Garr » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:06 pm

Bob Parsons Alberta wrote:Yeah right 28 bottles..how you do that?

She actually explained that in her report, Bob.
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Jenise » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:15 pm

Bob Parsons Alberta wrote:Yeah right 28 bottles..how you do that?


Airline luggage allowance and special luggage!!
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Rahsaan » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:23 pm

Jenise wrote:Yes, two special suitcases. We were allocated four total in business class and they didn't make any noise about the weight.

Mostly I bought wines I would never see here at home and mementos of good tasting experiences that would bring the trip back with just a sip...


Very nice indeed. And that level of luggage does make things a no-brainer!

At the end of July I'll be returning to the US (economy) after 7 months in Berlin. My problem is that with 7 months of family living we have plenty of non-wine stuff to fill our baggage allocation and then some. So there are lots of interesting wines available at fair prices, but it's not necessarily worth paying for even more extra luggage when there are also plenty of interesting wines at home. (But of course I can't resist, so will see what I end up doing)

Anyway, enough baggage stories, sounds like a great trip and nice that you could see an assortment of great wine regions.
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Jenise » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:37 pm

Btw, one of our evenings was a Cellar Rat dinner at one of our apartments (we travelled with our L.A. wine group, but did some independent things too). Each of the 7 couples brought a white and a red. An interesting feature of this tasting was that one guy brought California ringers.

Served blind, the wines were:

Flight 1:
A1. Auxey-Duresses, Les Ruchottes, 2012 Domaine Boyer-Gontard (4th place, 10 points)
A2. S-Bar, 2013 Edna Valley Chardonnay, Baileyana (2nd place, 16 points)
A3. Saint-Aubin 1er Cru, En Montceau, Kristin et Jan-Fredrik Borge, 2014 (3rd place, 11 points)
A4. Saint-Veran, Vendanges Manuelles, Domain Marin, 2015 (1st place, 19 points)

The alcohol and ripeness on the Baileyana stood out as unBurgundian, (though admittedly I didn't suspect California ringers because who would do that???) and it was my last place wine. I was honestly surprised that it showed so well for others. My first place vote went to the lightest and most floral of the wines, the Saint Veran.

Flight 2:
B1. Auxey-Duresses, La Canee, Henri de Villamont, 2013 (tie 1st place, 7 points)
B2. Pouilly-Fuisse, "La Vieille Vigne de la Marechaude", Domain Delorme et Fils, 2012 (tie 1st place, 7 points)
B3. Chateau de Chamirey, La Mission (Monopole), Heritiers du Marquis de Jouennes D'Herville, 2012 (prem-oxed, 0 points)

Red Burgundy:

Flight 1:
A1. Chorey-Les-Beaune, Les Gourmandes, Jean-Luc & Paul Aegerter, 2009 (4th place, 2 points)
A2. Pommard 1er Cru, Clos de Verger, Henri de Villamont, 2011 (2nd place, 23 points)
A3. Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru, Boudriotte, Jean-Claude Ramonet, 2014 (1st place, 25 points)
A4. Arbois, Memorial, Domaine Rolet, 2009 (3rd place, 6 points)

Flight 2:
B1. Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru, Clos Saint Jean, Domaine Fontaine-Gagnard, 2014 (1st place, 8 points)
B2. Santenay, Vieilles Vignes, Bruno Colin, 2012 (3rd place, 2 votes)
B3. Scott Paul, 2008 Oregon Pinot Noir, La Paulee (2nd place, 4 votes)

Have to give the Scott Paul major credit: unlike the Baileyanna it did not stand out as new world in any way but fit seamlessly in with the other Burgs.
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by David M. Bueker » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:42 pm

Sounds like a great trip. I miss the days of wine in carry on baggage. We managed 34 bottles from Germany in 2003.
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Fredrik L » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:12 am

No relation to the manufacturer, but I do love my Winecruizer! :D

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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

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Fredrik L wrote:No relation to the manufacturer, but I do love my Winecruizer! :D

Greetings from Sweden / Fredrik L


Those are great products. But what is so cool about the Wine Checks is the portability. We didn't have to take them with us. We had a week of travel before picking up a rental car, so we needed to start out light. Now that Wine Checks are being sold all over the world, one can remove the styro inserts from the Wine Checks, fold and pack the canvas/wheel part, then purchase new styro at your end wine destination without being previously encumbered.
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by JC (NC) » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:30 pm

I like the Scott Paul "La Paulee" and now have a vertical from 2009-2012 in my wine collection.
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by Joe Moryl » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:23 pm

I enjoyed reading about your trip and it means I need to get off my butt and write up some things about my recent trip to Germany.
But do warn me what airline serves KJ Chard in business class, so that I can avoid them (I'll be in the back, where the offerings are probably even worse). BTW, on my recent flight from Frankfurt to New York (Lufhansa, economy) my neighbor had something like seven glasses of white and three glasses of Sekt (gratis)!
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by Jeff Grossman » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:54 pm

Jenise, great report! I'll be in line with Robin for the next plane over.
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Joe Moryl wrote:But do warn me what airline serves KJ Chard in business class, so that I can avoid them (I'll be in the back, where the offerings are probably even worse). BTW, on my recent flight from Frankfurt to New York (Lufhansa, economy) my neighbor had something like seven glasses of white and three glasses of Sekt (gratis)!


That would be British Airways. But damn, I loved the plane! My first ride in the double-decker Airbus 380 with, in business class, seats in pairs where you face, if the partition's down, the person next to you. That is, half of the passengers sit backwards! I got the backwards seat--take off was a blast, and I was happy to settle for a glass of Piper Heidsick and then a glass of that Rioja.
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Peter May » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:55 am

Jenise wrote:On the way home, we spent a few hours at Heathrow. The wines on offer were sauv blancs, chardonnays and a few reds from California, South Africa and New Zealand. After Burgundy, everything tasted like gasoline. (Or gazoyl, if you drive diesel.) We hoped for better on the plane, after all we were in biz class. And guess what the featured white was? Kendall Jackson chardonnay. We skipped the whites and had a few glasses of a very nice Montecillo rioja instead.



Ref Heathrow: If you're talking so called 'duty-free', then the range of table wines is (since BBR pulled out) unfortunately lowest common demoninator and often more expensive than the UK supermarkets.

There's an always changing list in the BA business class lounges, and it's worth checking all the different stations as often they have some different ones. Also, though Champagne isn't out on the self-pour counters you only have to ask for it

On board, you should have had the choice of two white, two red table wines and usually 2 Champagnes (one being pink) served from the bottle. On long haul they usually feature two wines from the country flown to/from, so US for the US, South African for RSA etc.

In economy wine is free and given out in individual 187ml bottles but no Champagne.
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Dale Williams » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:10 am

Thanks for nice report
Congrats on finding the Metras
Jealous of your Beaujolais time, but sorry about the river.
I've got a WineCheck, it's designed to be under 50 lbs (23kg) with 12 bottles (if all Champagne could cut it close, but still squeak by I think) so no overweight issues on US carriers (or most European carriers).
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Jenise » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:14 pm

Peter May wrote:Ref Heathrow: If you're talking so called 'duty-free', then the range of table wines is (since BBR pulled out) unfortunately lowest common demoninator and often more expensive than the UK supermarkets.


Nope, never got near the duty free shop. Was talking about the biz class lounges, and I did check all the different stations but though as you say there were some different options (my South African friend Paul Cluver's pinot noir at one, but not at the other) the options were the same narrow range stylistically and though I poured a few tastes, everything tasted too sweet to go for a glass of.

On board, you're correct, there were more than one option. Three bubbles, of which as I said I had one. I can't for the life of me remember what was available from the U.S. besides the KJ but in my acid-needy state, it certainly wasn't something my palate would have welcomed.
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by wnissen » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:35 pm

I was just in Paris, and found a store that sold 6-bottle boxes but would strap two together. I think it was EUR40 for 12 bottles, and that includes a moderately functional handle. Very heavy, though. My 12 bottles, after an Air France-mandated plastic wrap, weighed 19 kg, so almost the economy limit. The store is La Derniere Goutte, it's convenient to Metro, prices are not the greatest but the selections are mostly interesting.

http://www.ladernieregoutte.net/vins/in ... anguage=fr

If anyone ever finds a source for traditional styro boxes in Paris, please post it. Those are light enough that you can tape two together and leave 2 to 8 slots empty, depending on weight. Then you can wrap the tape around and fold it over in the middle to make pretty nice handles. When an extra bag is EUR85, being able to take 16-22 bottles is a better value.
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Rahsaan » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:27 am

wnissen wrote:I was just in Paris, and found a store that sold 6-bottle boxes but would strap two together...La Derniere Goutte...


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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by John F » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:16 pm

Nice report.....makes me want to go there. Can't imagine getting sick of cheese but I guess it is possible!
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by Jenise » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:48 pm

John F wrote:Nice report.....makes me want to go there. Can't imagine getting sick of cheese but I guess it is possible!


We had literally eaten it every day when one night, we went to a restaurant dinner arranged by someone else in the group of friends we travelled with for part of this vacation. Ghastly food. Four courses saturated in cream and then a cheese plate full of not-exactly-high-quality specimens. I didn't get sick, but I'd already reached the tipping point and this plonked me over the edge. The next evening Bob and I escaped and went to a small Italian restaurant for a simple dinner of veal milanese liberally squirted with lemon juice and a tomato salad. Ah, aciditty, my friend.
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Re: Some thoughts after three weeks in France

by JC (NC) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:31 pm

Just back from Bordeaux and Paris last Friday. Still working through my emails and will post later. I was in the Bastille Day crowds in Paris during the daytime but not to watch the concert and fireworks (watched the concert on television from my hotel room.) So so sad about the killings in Nice!
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