Project Vintage 2010

Hello everybody,

Since a couple of years I'm collecting wine vintage 2010, as that's the year my son was born in and I'd like to taste it with him or give it to him, starting when he'll be 16-17 or so.

I'm looking for wines which meet the following criteria:

1) Only vintage 2010
2) It must be GOOD, not average or ordinary table wine
3) It must be suitable for more than 15 years aging, the more the better
4) I should be able to buy it for max 50 USD / 45 EUR a bottle (exceptions are possible, if justified)

So far I collected the following ones:



(the latest are so so, will probably drink 'em by my own before)

My goal is 100+ bottles.
I have enough knowledge of Italian wines. I'll get some more Barolo, some Brunello and tuscans cabernet based.
Anything else follows the 4 rules?

How about France? Anything besides Bordeaux?

And Spain? An amigo told me that Rioja is the region to go, but better to wait 1 or 2 more years to buy proper Grand Riserva.

Rest of the world?

I have only red so far.
How about some white wines that can age longer than usual? What else on top of Sauternes?
Tokaj? Malvasia? Muscat?
Anything not sweet?!

Thank you!

Some red wines under $50 that have proven track records for aging:

Bordeaux: Cantemerle, Bourgneuf, Potensac, Sociando Mallet (plenty of others)
Burgundy- plenty of agers, it's the $50 that is the problem. I have Bachelet CdNV and Lafouge "Chapelle" Auxey-D 1er, I'd say they fit.
Rhone- don't really have sense of vintage, but maybe better St Josephs would fit
Loire- better Bourgeuils and Chinons can easily do 20 years.
Beaujolais- not usually what you think of aging, but I have Coudert (Roillete) Fleurie Tardive down as a cellar wine.
Madiran and Cahors can age well.

Spain- Gran Reserva Riojas should be out soon. Traditional Riservas like CVNE Imperial can last a long time, too. I don't have a ton of aging experience outside Rioja

US- probably hard to find Edmunds St John Syrahs, but the Wylie-Fen '10 certainly fits your criteria. Ridge Zins can age. Everything else I like (Corison, Mayacamas, etc) has passed price point.

Musar?

Whites:
German whites are the easiest answer in "what can age that is under $50" 2010 was a higher acid vintage, so might not be for all tastes. Do you like Riesling (dry or off dry)? Alsace Riesling like Trimbach CFE also qualifies. Austria too

Problem with white Burgundy (and dry white Bordeaux) is the PremOx issue.

Loire whites- top Muscadet like Pepiere Briords or Luneau-P L'd'Or can go 20 years. Huet whites (dry, off dry, sweet) can do.

US- Stony Hill Chardonnay
What matters is what you have access to.

Dale got most of them, but I'll emphaisze:
- Vouvray and Muscadet from the better houses.
- Sancerre white or pink from Cotat.
- German riesling, spatlese or above, from the better houses.
- Ch. Musar white.
- Red Chinon from the better houses.
- Red Bandol from the top houses.

Not sure about that LB Vintage port you've got.

[David M. Bueker]

Yeah, expecting LBV Port to go 15-20 years is a real stretch. Dale and Jeff have hit the items that should do the job.

Hello everybody,

Since a couple of years I'm collecting wine vintage 2010, as that's the year my son was born in and I'd like to taste it with him or give it to him, starting when he'll be 16-17 or so.

My son was also born in 2010, but I didn't buy any 'birth year' wines for that reason. I do however anticipate starting him on his wine journey much earlier than 16 or 17 years old!

Hi Davide and welcome. I'm not sure where you are from or how available these wines might be for you, but 2010 was an exceptional year along the Niagara Escarpment for Cabernet Franc. Here are 2 links, one from each side of the border.
From Canada - Megalomaniac
From Niagara County, NY - Arrowhead Springs

Thanks a lot everybody.

I'll check the availability of all the wines you mentioned and start investing

Will come back in case of doubts... cheers!

Some red wines under $50 that have proven track records for aging:

Bordeaux: Cantemerle, Bourgneuf, Potensac, Sociando Mallet (plenty of others)
Burgundy- plenty of agers, it's the $50 that is the problem. I have Bachelet CdNV and Lafouge "Chapelle" Auxey-D 1er, I'd say they fit.
Rhone- don't really have sense of vintage, but maybe better St Josephs would fit
Loire- better Bourgeuils and Chinons can easily do 20 years.
Beaujolais- not usually what you think of aging, but I have Coudert (Roillete) Fleurie Tardive down as a cellar wine.
Madiran and Cahors can age well.

Spain- Gran Reserva Riojas should be out soon. Traditional Riservas like CVNE Imperial can last a long time, too. I don't have a ton of aging experience outside Rioja

US- probably hard to find Edmunds St John Syrahs, but the Wylie-Fen '10 certainly fits your criteria. Ridge Zins can age. Everything else I like (Corison, Mayacamas, etc) has passed price point.

Musar?

Whites:
German whites are the easiest answer in "what can age that is under $50" 2010 was a higher acid vintage, so might not be for all tastes. Do you like Riesling (dry or off dry)? Alsace Riesling like Trimbach CFE also qualifies. Austria too

Problem with white Burgundy (and dry white Bordeaux) is the PremOx issue.

Loire whites- top Muscadet like Pepiere Briords or Luneau-P L'd'Or can go 20 years. Huet whites (dry, off dry, sweet) can do.

US- Stony Hill Chardonnay
What matters is what you have access to.

Dear Dale, thanks so much for your guidance.

I checked more in details and would like to shorten the list, possibly again with your help if you have time.

I report here the results of my research. Website are just for my reference, in case of purchase. 1 CHF is more or less 1 USD.


Bordeaux Cantemerle: 36.7 CHF at http://www.arvi.ch
Bordeaux Bourgneuf: Not found in Switzerland
Bordeaux Potensac: 37.5 CHF at http://ch.weinclub.com
Bordeaux Sociando Mallet: 35 CHF at http://www.grvins.ch

Now I have plenty of choice. Say I wanna invest around 200 CHF, better to go for two of each one or 6 of one (and which one ) ?

Burgundy Bachelet CdNV: Not found in Switzerland
Burgundy Lafouge "Chapelle" Auxey-D 1er: Not found in Switzerland

Rhone St Joseph: could this one (http://www.domainedarnaud.com/saint-joseph.html) work?
Found it at http://en.1870vinsetconseil.ch for 39.5 CHF

Loire Bourgeuils: how about Yannick Amirault? Le Petite Cave (23 CHF) or Le Pavillon du Grand Clos (36 CHF)?
Both on http://www.vineasvini.ch

Loire Chinon: found only Chinon Clos la Dioterie at http://www.reichmuth-weine.ch/ for 46 CHF. Worth the investment?

Beaujolais Fleurie Tardive: couldn't find it.

Madiran: would be cool to have some Tannat. I've found Château Bouscassé Madiran Alain Brumont for 20 CHF on http://www.flaschenpost.ch, but probably Chateus Montus (24 CHF, http://fr.millesima.ch) is even better, isn't it?

Cahors: can this one (http://www.jlbaldes.com/en/probus), available on http://shop.mevino.ch for 40 CHF be aged for long? and does it make sense?

CVNE Imperial Riserva: out on many online and physical shops, for example on http://ch.weinclub.com for 32 CHF. The question is if it's better to buy the reserva now or the grand reserva in a year...

No chance to find any of the US wines you mentioned, not very popular here in the old continent.

The lebanon's Musar is a great idea, but it looks like that 2010 is not out yet. Will re-check next year.

Will check whites when I have more time.

My cellar is stable at 14 degrees (Celsius) and 85% humidity. No change night/day.
In winter it gets colder, but gradually.

Maybe for whites I should by those special wine fridges...
Not too keen of spending another 1000 CHF, but if needed will do.

Does it make sense to buy vintage/millesime champagne?

Many thanks again, salute!
Davide