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WTN: Rieslings + GVs, Loires, Burg etc @Grand Sichuan

by Dale Williams » Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:32 pm

Salil rallied the troops to welcome Todd to NYC. A small group gathered on a frigid night at Grand Sichuan on St Marks. Lots of food: soup dumplings, cucumber with scallion sauce, duck, chong qing chicken,lamb with cumin, shredded beef with green peppers, and more.

Reds
2004 Truchot Charmes-Chambertin
Lovely, raspberries and mineral notes, a pleasant herbiness (which Jay calls “pine”, and that might be more accurate) but no greenie meanies, elegant, leafy. lovely. A-

1985 Olga Raffault “Picasses” Chinon
When I uncorked this there was a whiff of VA and pruniness, but to me (but not everyone) that blew off. A bit of horsiness, but on the Olga scale it’s well in check. Red fruit and pepper, a little bit of tannin remaining, pretty enough. B+/B

A Gruner Veltliner interlude

1998 Knoll Loibenberg Gruner Veltliner Federspiel
In a pretty place, yellow fruits, citrus peel, a saline minerality. Fresh, fun, great match with the cukes in scallion sauce. Buy more. A-

2013 Aigner “Sandgrube” ( Kremstal
new producer to me, light, hint of spritz, easy to like. B

Sherry, anyone?
Equipo Navazos #46 ( I think Jay said this was Oloroso)
Very nutty, dry, complex, with orange peel notes. But for me, this is more interesting than tasty. I’d call it as good as any sherry I’ve had, just not my fave category. B

A lone Loire white
2010 Les Cailloux du Paradis Romorantin
I expected to like this more. Softer and nuttier than I expected, ok but I’ll stick with Cour-Cheverny B-

Rieslings, the main feature

1976 Schloss Johannisberg “Grunlack” Spatlese
This still as plenty of life, pretty brassy color, moderate sweetness, some light caramel. Good, quite youthful, but I didn’t think as interesting as some others. B

1985 Zilliken Saarburger Rausch Spatlese (Auction, #8)
corked, damn!

2003 Egon Muller Braune Kupp Auslese.
This might be from 2003, but there’s no shortage of acidity. Bright, rich, with tea and citrus over
white pit fruits, honied. A-

2010 Willi Schaefer Graacher Himmelreich Auslese
Mineral, electric acidity, citrus, intense. A-/A

2002 Merkelbach Erdener Treppchen Spatlese
Balanced acids, modest sweetness, apple and petrol. B+

There was a Loosen Blue Slate (2013?) as well but I didn’t write anything down, good value though

1995 Willi Schaefer Graacher Domprobst Beerenauslese (375)
Intense, fantastic acids, honied, long. A-/B+

Nice night with nice people!

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
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Re: WTN: Rieslings + GVs, Loires, Burg etc @Grand Sichuan

by Matt Richman » Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:50 pm

Sounds great!

I used to love that restaurant. Is it still holding up?
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Re: WTN: Rieslings + GVs, Loires, Burg etc @Grand Sichuan

by Rahsaan » Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:22 pm

Dale Williams wrote:2010 Les Cailloux du Paradis Romorantin
I expected to like this more. Softer and nuttier than I expected, ok but I’ll stick with Cour-Cheverny B-


Did you expect to like it more because you've had good experiences with Courtois in the past? Or because you generally like other romorantin?

I haven't tasted any vintages past 07 or 08, but I always had a difficult time with the Courtois wines (Claude and Julien), so fragile and delicate even in France. I have no idea if they've gotten more consistent in recent years, but after a while my failure rate was too high and the high-points of solid bottles didn't seem worth it, so I stopped buying.
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Re: WTN: Rieslings + GVs, Loires, Burg etc @Grand Sichuan

by David M. Bueker » Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:43 pm

Hope you get something good to drink next time. :wink:

Those 2004 Truchot wines have always been delicious. The 2004 Blanchards shows a bit more green, but the rest (e.g. Morey VV, Clos Sorbes, Clos de la Roche, etc.) are gorgeous.

Now I need to dig up my last bottle of the 1995 Willi Schaefer Beerenauslese.
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Re: WTN: Rieslings + GVs, Loires, Burg etc @Grand Sichuan

by Dale Williams » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:58 pm

Matt Richman wrote:I used to love that restaurant. Is it still holding up?


I thought food was really good, I always enjoy, and they're very good re letting us take 3+ hours. Of course we tipped 50+% I think. I think maybe Lan Sheng is a bit better in top dishes, but no way they'd let a table of 6 last an hour, much less 3. Every dish was solid, a few great (especially the cucumbers- weird favorite dish, but I always love there).

Rahsaan wrote:Did you expect to like it more because you've had good experiences with Courtois in the past? Or because you generally like other romorantin?.


More Courtois rep (friends like it a lot) and how much I love C-Cheverny (primarily Cazin). Just searched back and found a Courtois SB ("Quartz") that I found more interesting than tasty.

David M. Bueker wrote:Now I need to dig up my last bottle of the 1995 Willi Schaefer Beerenauslese.


Really no hurry on these! I'd guess decades of life left. But maybe if I'm in neighborhood....:)
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Re: WTN: Rieslings + GVs, Loires, Burg etc @Grand Sichuan

by Rahsaan » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:28 pm

Dale Williams wrote:
More Courtois rep (friends like it a lot) and how much I love C-Cheverny (primarily Cazin). Just searched back and found a Courtois SB ("Quartz") that I found more interesting and tasty.


Yes, I've had a few good bottles of Quartz. But more bad ones!!
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Re: WTN: Rieslings + GVs, Loires, Burg etc @Grand Sichuan

by David M. Bueker » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:57 pm

Opened a 2004 Truchot Clos Sorbes tonight. It's so silky and aromatic, though I do believe it was better a few years ago. Time to drink up the '04 Truchot wines. #toughduty
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Re: WTN: Rieslings + GVs, Loires, Burg etc @Grand Sichuan

by Dale Williams » Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:19 pm

Rahsaan, actually that should have read " Courtois SB ("Quartz") that I found more interesting THAN tasty. "

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