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WTN: 74 Caymus Mayacamas 75 Las Cases 86 Mouton 86 Cheval Bl

by Bill Spohn » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:53 pm

Had a small gathering for a friend’s 40th birthday yesterday and drank some really interesting wines.

1990 Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin Champagne Brut La Grande Dame (magnum) – corked. Damn!

1996 Krug Brut – Ah – a relief to immediately get to a decent wine. Showing some colour, showing a very good yeasty nose, and with decent length and complexity. I heard a couple of more negative comments on this, but I liked it.

1990 Roederer Cristal Brut – similar nose to the Krug, but fuller on palate with a nice juicy mouth feel and better length.

1974 Caymus Cabernet – the year of our host’s birth so you’ll see a few from this vintage. This was a magnum, and it was a year before they started up the Special Selection cuvee. Mahogany colour, intense nose of old woody fruit, improved in the glass. Finished a bit short.

1980 Caymus Special Selection – a tough vintage, this wine showed wetted stones and plum in the nose, as well as some capsicum, and a bit roasted. It was on the acidic side on palate and had no doubt been better a decade ago.

1974 Mount Eden Vineyards Cabernet – big dark woody Cal-Cab, very concentrated. Must have been a monster in early life. Not a fan of the style, but a well built wine.

1975 Ch. Leoville Las Cases – medium garnet colour, and a very decent nose, but on palate slightly elevated acidity, still some soft tannins and with fruit levels at the lower end of acceptability. I’ve had better bottles.

1986 Ch. Mouton Rothschild – a nice rich nose of fruit, mint and cassis. Drinking surprisingly well now, it has softened since the last time I tasted it. Very, very good showing but I think it still needs time and will improve. Not the absolute best bottle I’ve tasted.

1986 Ch. Cheval Blanc – a completely different presentation than the Mouton (of course). Much lighter colour and an elegant nose of cassis, plum and hints of cedar. Smooth and long, I expect this is now at peak.

1988 Daniel Rion Clos Vougeot – odd chemical nose. Dead.

1985 Jaboulet Hermitage La Chapelle – Wow! Maybe my wine of the night (but see later). Good colour, an excellent slightly funky nose, with cocoa and smoky meat elements, tons of flavour concentration and black pepper showing up in the lengthy finish. Superb bottle.

1974 Borgogno Barbaresco – I thought there was some hope for this until I looked at ot – brown and turbid. A sniff and tentative taste confirmed the decease of the wine.

1974 Nipozzano Chianti Classico Reserva (Frescobaldi) – pale garnet colour, but a tasty full flavoured wine in great shape.

1975 Fontanafredda Barolo – I hadn’t expected much of this, but back then this producer was making serious long aging wines, and this one was ok, despite a bit of VA in the nose, the browning colour and fading early – there was still some flavour interest there.

1974 Mayacamas Cabernet – this was an amazing wine, and thankfully one that didn’t trumpet it’s origin with sweet oak. It was still dark red and had a great nose of mint, earth, mature fruit, a little mushroom and herbs – many facetted. Good balance and it was mouth watering and long. One of the best California Cabernets I’ve tasted (and I’ve experienced quite a lot of them). This wine was why I said that the La Chapelle just might be my favourite. Very hard to choose between them. It’s a good tasting when an 86 Mouton comes in third.

We finished with a sweet wine:

1974 Las Vignerons Catalans Rivesaltes Ambre Hors d’Age – amber brown, smooth and intense, this was made from Grenache Blanc and Maccabeu. It had apricots and almonds jostling on palate and perhaps some orange peel. Good way to finish up!
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Re: WTN: 74 Caymus Mayacamas 75 Las Cases 86 Mouton 86 Cheva

by Jenise » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:12 pm

Good to see your notes! I'll have to dig mine out. Also, will add notes on the bonus round. That is, after those of you with dinner plans rushed off, someone among the remainder said, "Do we really have to go?" Turns out, we didn't.

Interesting that you place the Mayacamas above the Mouton, though. Never mind that the latter was my wine (the Cristal was mine too, but it was too oxidative for my palate), good as the Mayacamas was a great Cal Cab will never eclipse a great Bordeaux for me, and this Mouton was one of the best I've ever had.
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Re: WTN: 74 Caymus Mayacamas 75 Las Cases 86 Mouton 86 Cheva

by Jenise » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:58 pm

Bill, my notes, in reverse order to yours, which means as you read you'll start with the wines that that the hangers-on enjoyed after all of you with a busier social life moved on. :)

What took me so long? Spilled my ever-present and freshly refilled glass of water on my keyboard while writing up my notes. After which it threw in a few numbers with every letter it typed. Would have taken Alan Turing to decipher my notes. :)

1998 Bernard Levet Côte-Rôtie La Chavaroche
Drew's wine. My first Levet, PnP'd. Nice discovery: very savory overall with green olive tapenade, dark red fruit, artichoke, white pepper and a little smoke. Old school and elegant.

1986 Faiveley Chambertin-Clos de Bèze Chambertin-Clos de Bèze Grand Cru
Drew's wine. Fully evolved and ready. Light red fruit and tea with touches of caramel and herb. Terrific.

1995 Château MontroseSt. Estèphe Red Bordeaux Blend

My wine. Open and ready without decanting though time will soften and bring out more nuance. Big, heady and masculine with notes of tobacco, cassis and black cherry all day. Classic. As one taster put it, this is the Bordeaux you could pour for anyone and say, "Buddy, if you don't like this, then you don't like Bordeaux."

2004 François Raveneau Chablis 1er Cru Montée de Tonnerre
Drew's wine, and what a gentleman. He took me to his cellar and gave the opportunity to choose something, and I chose this. After all the reds consumed, it sounded so refreshing and it was. "There's that salty bitch", approvingly said one taster upon first sip, capturing the initially overriding and exhilarating minerality which receded, with time in the glass, to make way for some floral stuff and restrained fruit. Outstanding.

1974 Mayacamas Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Mountain Mt. Veeder
Drew's wine, and what a beaut. Good youthful color, intoxicating nose of complex red fruit, cedar, mint, spice, complex red fruit--a stunning 40 year old California Cabernet.

1974 Giacomo Borgogno & Figli Barbaresco
Worst madeira I've ever tasted. :) That is, academically, there were some interesting, musty orange rind and date bar kind of note on the nose, but I didn't find it a pleasant drink.

1975 Fontanafredda Barolo Nebbiolo
Very brown and necrotic, with some wierd phenolics on the nose. Not drinkable.

1974 Marchesi de' Frescobaldi Chianti Rùfina Nipozzano Riserva
Light in color and texture, but holding up admirably for a wine never made to go this kind of distance.

1985 Paul Jaboulet Aîné Hermitage La Chapelle
Devin's bottle5. Super funky nose, bright and juicy on the palate, with cocoa and baked ham. Showing terrific right now.

1986 Château Cheval Blanc St. Émilion Grand Cru
Blair's bottle. At peak, a wine perfectly in the moment. Elegantly resolved and mouthfilling. A privilege to drink.

1986 Château Mouton Rothschild Pauillac
My wine. 100 pts too much? Not for my tastes. I can't imagine a better bottle of this vintage, right now. Flawlessly chiseled, with a dense core of complex high acid fruit and everything that makes a Bordeaux legend. Might/will be even more rewarding later on, but it's nonetheless a highly rewarding and thrilling experience.

1975 Château Léoville Las Cases St. Julien
Your bottle, and as he said "elevated acidity, soft tannins and fruit levels at the lower end of acceptibility." He indicated he's had other better bottles so this might not be the one to judge all by.

1974 Mount Eden Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon Santa Cruz Mountains
Sid's wine. Maybe I should score it higher just for showing up in fine shape at age 40, which it did, but some gobbiness from the ripe, extracted monster this once was remains evident and I personally didn't find it very appealing. Made me wish I had brought the 79 Ridge I'd stood up to bring, but changed my mind about when I saw Drew's preference was for Bordeaux and Burgundy.

1980 Caymus Cabernet Sauvignon Special Selection

Blacker and tired compared to the 74 regular that was it's flight mate. Far as I know no one's given a name to the aging category between 'secondary development' and 'dead', but that's where this was. To be fair many quite liked it, but too OTH for me.

1974 Caymus Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley
Nice bottle; from magnum, blind. Plummy youthful fruit with a cab franc-ish green streak. Which didn't throw anyone off the trail, seemed obviously Californian. A later retaste was less interesting than the first pour as the green had become mean and dominant.

1996 Krug Champagne Vintage Brut Champagne
Devin's wine. What Blair said: Just a baby yet, but this is spectacular. Electrifying acidity. Power to burn. Great mouthfeel. I'd love to try this in 35 years!

1990 Louis Roederer Champagne Cristal Brut

My wine. Angels wept: another disappointing Cristal. Cork barely went POOF when removed, indicating pressure loss and explaining the mild oxidation on the palate and lack of persistence in the bubble. You and others were actually complimentary of it, and there was a creamy caramel pudding like note that was lovely, but I know what this can/should be and this bottle wasn't it.
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Re: WTN: 74 Caymus Mayacamas 75 Las Cases 86 Mouton 86 Cheva

by Dale Williams » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:15 am

Nice notes, both of you.
The 74 Mayacamas is in my 10 ten US wines of all time.
My experiences with 86 Mouton have been all about potential.
Too bad about the Borgogno. I've had very good bottles of the 74 Barolo and Barolo Riserva (I didn't actually know they had Barbaresco). Do you know was this a library or original release?

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