Red-Fruited Skin-Contact Whites??

In a recent rant:
KramerRant

He sez:

many white wines now made with extended skin contact, that deliver red-berry notes in the scent. With my eyes closed, I too would think I was drinking a red wine. Big deal. Does that make me (or you) a chump? A bad taster? A poseur? Hardly.

I've tasted a fair number of skin-contact whites and orange wines (probably way more than Kramer), but I cannot recall a single one in which I picked up "red-berry notes" or would guess it to be a red.

Anybody have a clue as to what he's talking about here??
Tom

Nope

BTB - if I want a red wine, I open a bottle of red.

I described a bottle of Windsor Gap skin contact PG as red fruited last week.

I've never done the black glass thing, but have heard of plenty of people being fooled, especially by orange wines. If one has actually done the black glass test multiple times, then I'll accept they would never be fooled.

I described a bottle of Windsor Gap skin contact PG as red fruited last week.

I've never done the black glass thing, but have heard of plenty of people being fooled, especially by orange wines. If one has actually done the black glass test multiple times, then I'll accept they would never be fooled.

Assume you mean "WindGap", Dale???

I've had any number of skin-contact PinotGris. Don't think I've ever picked up "red-fruited" in any of them.
But, then, maybe the visual cues blanked that out.

Most all of the skin-contact whites I've had, save for a few that had only a couple of days, have a distinct
smell to them I characterize as "phenolic". Not necessarily like phenol, though. Buut that does not seem
to be a word that has entered the wine lexicon...at least not yet.
Tom

Sorry, brainfart, yes it was the 2011 Wind Gap “Windsor Oaks” Pinot Gris
"I guess skin-contact, this is a dark gold with a reddish tint. Very floral on nose, full, red fruits and spice, a honied note ..."
(hey, where did our formatting go?)

I also remember being surprised at finding a lot of cherry in a Urz. Wurz. riesling long ago (early 2000s), and someone on old WLDG- I think Claude Kolm - said it was a characteristic of the vineyard.

[David M. Bueker]

The very first time I had an "orange" wine it was from a black glass, and I could have sworn I was drinking red wine. It was a wine from Radikon. Every once in a while I have found the same sort of thing, but always with the originals, never with the new world copyists.

As for red fruit in other wines, Urziger Wurzgarten is a classic. Norheimer Kirschheck (even served blind!) is another vineyard that routinely gives red fruit notes. The Nahe in general is red-fruit-in-riesling central.