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WTN: A sherry tasting

by Jenise » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:11 pm

Got together with friends last weekend in Los Angeles for a sherry tasting in which the wines were divided into three flites and paired with three courses of food, all contemporary American cuisine (made by me and a friend) in the hopes of making the twin points that not only does sherry go with food, it goes with foods other than Spanish food. Most in this group were pretty unfamiliar with sherry. That is, most don't drink it and instead associate it with sweeter style for late night drinking or the bulk cheap and dry for use in cooking. But drink it? No. Drink it with food in place of conventional wine? Never. One couple naively only brought 375's. Bob and I were pretty much the only ones who drink sherry on a fairly regularly basis and we don't do it THAT regularly, but when we do we drink it strictly as an aperitif and had never thought about pairing it with food until I read Eric Asimov's articles on sherry over the last three years. The wines were not served blind as virtually no one had any biases to worry about, and instead it was thought that by seeing/handling the bottle tasters would bond better with their favorites.

By the end of the night, with the exception of one person who reached the conclusion that she doesn't like sherry at all and never will, which is fair enough, most seemed to find the experience instructional and enjoyable. Because I was so busy in the kitchen my notes aren't very comprehensive, but it was certainly clear to me which had the kind of complexity I like.


With seared scallops on a pistachio-tarragon sauce and side salad of peas, pea leaves and soft lettuce in a hazelnut-lemon vinaigrette, this flight of finos/manzanillas, all 15% abv:

1) Bodegas Cesar Florrido Fino, from 375: flat nose, not a lot of personality. Turns out it was bottled April 2012, so fading probably explains the issue. No votes.
2) Valdespina Innocente: dead-on dry sherry nose with classic dry sherry flavor and good body, made up for in intensity what it lacked in multi-facetedness. Some votes.
3) Alexander Jules 22/85, bottled May 2013: An odd but intriguing cheesy-leesy nose segued into a very complex and interesting fino. My #1.
4) Alvear Fino from 100% pedro ximenez: super nutty, tangy, complex and fruity. Very engaging. Lighter bodied than the other previous wines, but that probably enhanced it's appeal to the neophytes. Group #1.
5) Valdespino Deliciosa Manzanilla from 375: Delicate, bright and complex. Some votes.


For the amontillado course, we served a deliberately spicy version of Shrimp & Grits, in which the shrimp were briny wild gulf shrimp and the sauce was a meaty version made with crumbled andouille sausage and tomatoes. Each serving was garnished with a bright little tangle of raw brussels sprout slaw and a coarse bright green powder of dried okra. These wines were all 18-20%.

1) Bodega dos Baco, S. L., Elite: sweet, smooth and simple. A wine more suited to dessert than food, for my tastes, and hard to appreciate next to the two drier wines in its flight.
2) Equipo Navazos No. 37 La Bota de Amontillado: my bottle and the #1 wine of NYT amontillado tasting a month or so ago, which is why I sought it out. Possibly predisposed by the bottle of same that Bob and I sipped over the week prior (one of three we tasted with different foods to calibrate our palates), but the experience in our small home sampling held up in the larger group situation: it was my #1. And revelatory, as I have never before had a sherry anything like this: pale for the amontillados in my experience, bone dry in a way that's almost severe relatively speaking but nutty and full of complex botanical elements that loved every single element on the plate.
3) Valdespina Palo Cortado Viejo C.P.: Also my contribution, and my #2 wine. I've never had this one before, and it's only the third Palo Cortado of my career so I don't have much to compare it to. The others I've had were a mind-blowing 30 year old PC I bought several years back and just some Lustaus locally available at around $20 we've had since. Based on those meager experiences and what I read in Julian Jeff's 1982 book on sherry, which I read last week, had I tasted this and the above La Bota blind, of the two I'd have guessed the Equipo to be the Palo Cortado. This was darker in color and richer/less delicate in flavor, more cooked and roasted than the bare complexities I so loved in the other. But still excellent.

As I was busy in the kitchen preparing the next course, I have no idea which of the amontillados the group preferred, but I could hear that the discussion in general was about how much they favored the finos over the amontillados.


For the Olorosos, we matched heavy for heavy with full meat course of prime grade rib eyes pan-seared in butter (two slices per plate) and homemade oxtail ravioli with a reduced sauce of beef consomme finished with a little cream and a few spoonfuls of a good basil pesto.

1) El Maestro Sierra Oloroso, from 500 ml bottle: this one whapped me with its reported 22% alcohol, it was like drinking brandy and I made no other notes about it. However it was oddly more popular with the group than the following, which I preferred:
2) Hidalgo Gobernador Oloroso Seco: Noticeably lighter at 20% alcohol, with a more open complexity similar to the amontillados. Easily my favorite.
3) Lustau East India Solera: I wouldn't have put this on the table with the other two, but I wasn't in charge of that part, so here it is. Attractive but very sweet and it should have been served later.


Two PX's went on the table for the dessert round but I detest the motor oil viscosity of PX wines and all I did was taste them in order to determine that yup, still don't like this!, and I went back to the level 2 wines for something to end the night with.
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by David M. Bueker » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:58 pm

Valdespino and La Bota are soooooooooo good.
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Clint Hall » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:01 pm

Jenise, two or three days before you were sipping sherry in Los Angeles, my wife Diana and I were at the Pike & Western wine shop in Seattle tasting finos, manzanillas, amontillados, olorosos, pedro jiminezes, and palo cortados. Most of them, in the $25 range per bottle (750), were QPR bargains, and for twice that and more there were wines that were truly stunning. A Bodegas Cesar Florido Pena Del Aguila Palo Cortado stole the show, although more than double the price of the next expensive wine, at $55.24 per half bottle.

I know what you mean about PX, Jenise. They generally taste like Pepsi Cola with an extra scoop of sugar. But that night a much leaner one, an El Maestro Sierra Pedro Ximinez, caught my fancy.

The wines at Pike & Western were all grower sherries, the products of small vineyards that had previously sold their fruit to the larger sherry houses like Lustau.
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Jenise » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:44 am

David M. Bueker wrote:Valdespino and La Bota are soooooooooo good.


Speaking of Valdespino and that palo cortado, as a world traveller you will appreciate knowing what I went through to get that. We had a bottle set aside for pickup at an L.A. wine store about 7 or 8 miles away from LAX. Our plane was due to land at 6:00 p.m. so it was going to be tight picking up that bottle in L.A. rush hour traffic before the store closed at 7:00 since we had checked baggage to retrieve and a car to rent. Well, the plane landed on time but sat on the tarmac for almost half an hour. It was 6:30 by the time we walked up to the baggage carousel which had yet to buzz and start puking luggage (two suit cases and a 12-bottle wine shipper). We had to have set some kind of new land-speed record because we got both car and luggage AND we arrived at the Wine House by 7:05 (and yes, they had closed but we called ahead and they waited for us).
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Jenise » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:54 am

Clint Hall wrote:Jenise, two or three days before you were sipping sherry in Los Angeles, my wife Diana and I were at the Pike & Western wine shop in Seattle tasting finos, manzanillas, amontillados, olorosos, pedro jiminezes, and palo cortados. Most of them, in the $25 range per bottle (750), were QPR bargains, and for twice that and more there were wines that were truly stunning. A Bodegas Cesar Florido Pena Del Aguila Palo Cortado stole the show, although more than double the price of the next expensive wine, at $55.24 per half bottle.

I know what you mean about PX, Jenise. They generally taste like Pepsi Cola with an extra scoop of sugar. But that night a much leaner one, an El Maestro Sierra Pedro Ximinez, caught my fancy.

The wines at Pike & Western were all grower sherries, the products of small vineyards that had previously sold their fruit to the larger sherry houses like Lustau.


I didn't know that Pike & Western were such a good source for sherries--I'll have to get down there. I really haven't seen much in the way of sherries around--when I've asked, I usually get a blank look and a "nobody ever asks for them" kind of apology for them only having one or two that aren't low-end/industrial. In spite of that it stands to reason that the sherries are here since a good sherry importer is here in Seattle (Classical Wines, who handle the Hidalgo line) and so is the distributor who handles the La Bota (A & B). The Spanish Table had a few 30 year olds and most at fairly reasonable prices, but I only spoke to them over the phone--I couldn't get down there to shop.
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Clint Hall » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:12 pm

Jenise, McCarthy & Schiering also recently had a sherry tasting, at one of their weekly freebie Saturday tastings, so there should also still be a supply of good ones there.

There have been a lot of grower sherries available recently, which as I understand it has something to do with the sherry market having weakened several years ago, resulting in an excess of fruit and the small vineyard owners striking out on their own. As a result there are more interesting sherries to select from. And a lot of them are on the maket in half-bottles, which I kind of like, especially for the higher priced ones.
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Jay Miller » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:28 pm

Jenise wrote: The Spanish Table had a few 30 year olds and most at fairly reasonable prices, but I only spoke to them over the phone--I couldn't get down there to shop.


A great source for Sherry! If you're in the mood to splurge they have the 1982 Byass palo Cortado. It's $142 but is an incredible wine and one if the only single vintage sherries available at retail.
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by John S » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:40 am

I went to a local tapas restaurant lately, and decided on a glass of Palo Contado to go with the meal, and I have to say it was an incredible wine and food match. I had to go grab a bottle of that wine - the Gonzalez Byass 30 yr old Pala Contado - very recently. I can still taste that wine,and am dying to open it!
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Jenise » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:19 am

John, the cool thing we discovered about putting this tasting together was how well sherry went with a variety of foods beyond Spanish. Here's a discussion about that:

http://www.wineloverspage.com/forum/village/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50845
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Bill Buitenhuys » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:37 am

PX makes a pretty nice modifier as a simple syrup replacement for cocktails...and sherry, in general, does seem to be one of the latest crazes in the cocktail world.
I really like using a fino or even an amontillado as a dry vermouth replacement.
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Jenise » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:44 am

PX as simple syrup? That would give some crazy color--the resulting drink doesn't look like swampwater?
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Hoke » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:47 am

Bill Buitenhuys wrote:PX makes a pretty nice modifier as a simple syrup replacement for cocktails...and sherry, in general, does seem to be one of the latest crazes in the cocktail world.
I really like using a fino or even an amontillado as a dry vermouth replacement.


Yep, sherries are trendy in the cocktail world right now. And that's a good thing, because in general sherry sales kinda suck.

The very thing that Jenise does not like in PX and other sweet sherry and malaga is one of the things that makes it an attractive adjunct---the texture. I quite like the Lustau East India for cocktails; and I'm not a big fan of PX either. The finos and amontillados can add a nice touch to cocktails as well.

Roxi has a collection of tiny liqueur-sized hand-etched Depression glasses, and with some dinners we like to accompany courses with just a small sip of sherry, or a small tapas with a small pour as a taste treat between courses. It's pretty, and tasty, and different.
(And, quite frankly, as I get older, I like smaller 'taste' servings rather than full plates; increases the diversity of degustation without loading too much rich food into my body. I'd rather do a degustation style dinner than a classic dinner these days.)
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Clint Hall » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:59 pm

As Hoke says, sherry sales currently are on the skids, which seems to be why there are now so many good grower sherries on the market, which, let's hope, will lead to a revival of sherry sales. That is, when Lustau and the other biggies found their sales dropping, they bought less fruit, which inspired vineyard owners to start their own smaller wineries, creating more interest in sherry.
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Hoke » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:05 pm

Clint Hall wrote:As Hoke says, sherry sales currently are on the skids, which seems to be why there are now so many good grower sherries on the market, which, let's hope, will lead to a revival of sherry sales. That is, when Lustau and the other biggies found their sales dropping, they bought less fruit, which inspired vineyard owners to start their own smaller wineries, creating more interest in sherry.


The downturn is so bad, Clint, that some Scotch whisky companies take extra steps to "finance" laying down sherry barrels simply so they'll have the supply needed for sherried barrels. In some instances the barrel is actually more valuable than the sherry inside. It's a conundrum because the whisky producers really depend on a good supply of barrels for their distinctive style.
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Jenise » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:53 pm

I'm surprised prices aren't down a bit...or are they? $70 retail for the Equipo in last weekend's tasting, however good, isn't "on the skids" pricing to my eye. $50 for the Palo Cortado is more understandable.
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Hoke » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:58 pm

Even at the worst during the Great Recession, Angry Birds was still selling for big bucks, ne?

Besides, Equipo has achieved cult status so remains attractive and pricy. Pricy enough to be put into a tasting after someone spent $70 for it. So they're able to get their money in this free market. :D

Think of Euipo as the 0.1% of sherries. :mrgreen:
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Jenise » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:18 pm

Hoke wrote:Even at the worst during the Great Recession, Angry Birds was still selling for big bucks, ne?

Besides, Equipo has achieved cult status so remains attractive and pricy. Pricy enough to be put into a tasting after someone spent $70 for it. So they're able to get their money in this free market. :D

Think of Euipo as the 0.1% of sherries. :mrgreen:


Not that it changes anything you said, but I'm the one who brought the Equipo and was able to get it for $52 which is wholesale plus 10%, and I sought it out because of the NYT recent article. Btw, it amused me to peruse a list of sherry ratings in a recent Wine Spectator that the hosts of this party printed out. They rated this Equipo just 89 pts, identical to what they gave the Lustau East India. Am thinking I wouldn't trust their opinion on sherries.
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Hoke » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:34 pm

They rated this Equipo just 89 pts, identical to what they gave the Lustau East India. Am thinking I wouldn't trust their opinion on sherries.


You know, I probably look askance more at sherry point ratings than I do at regular wine points. Sherry seems to be so...guess I'll have to say "personal preference...as to be almost impossible to get a consistent response from even well-trained and sensitive palates, much less a random selection of people who are professed "wine tasters."

Hell, I don't even know why I like most sherries. As you said earlier, it's the kind of wine that logically I would not expect to like at all. And I find I do prefer the flor versions over the extremely oxidative ones. It's my contention that most people have not even experienced good sherries, because the sales movement on such is so slow that much of the sherry consumed is old, faded stuff.

Wasn't a very well kept secret that the vast majority of sherry, for many, many years, was the rankest kind of swill. And I'm talking Jerez(!), not cheap American "sherry". The industry itself was guilty of putting out some really atrocious crap for a long time...which effectively turned people off sherry.

(True story: When in retail in the long ago I was dealing with a woman who was oohing and ahhing about sherry and how much she loved it, loved it, loved it. So I sold her a couple of favorites. She came back really pissed off because I had sold her such bad wines!!! I was flummoxed. Then, when I kept talking to her, I discovered the problem: what she had been raving about? She had been drinking cooking sherry. She started when she was a kid, swiping the stuff from her mom's kitchen. She thought that salty crap was what sherry was supposed to taste like and she had built up a fondness for it!)

(And nice coup on the Equipo for $52. Pays to check around, eh?)
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Jenise » Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:06 pm

Hoke wrote:You know, I probably look askance more at sherry point ratings than I do at regular wine points. Sherry seems to be so...guess I'll have to say "personal preference...as to be almost impossible to get a consistent response from even well-trained and sensitive palates, much less a random selection of people who are professed "wine tasters."


Exactly what amused me about the Spec ratings. You can't just bring your regular wine A game to that table and apply the same rules. Ditto re the flor, and i might be grasping at thin air here but at this point of relative inexperience I detect more herbaceousness, and I like that for much of the same reasons I love sauvignon blanc and liked that Pow Wow rye a few weeks ago.

Hilarious story about the cooking sherry. What makes it so salty, anyway?
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Hoke » Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:47 pm

Hilarious story about the cooking sherry. What makes it so salty, anyway?


They add salt.

(They have to add salt, so they can label it cooking sherry and sell it in grocery stores.)
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Jenise » Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:57 pm

Hoke wrote:
Hilarious story about the cooking sherry. What makes it so salty, anyway?


They add salt.

(They have to add salt, so they can label it cooking sherry and sell it in grocery stores.)


That made me laugh out loud--it's so obvious I couldn't see it. Whoever bought it, tasting like that? (Growing up, there was always a half gallon jug of Almaden dry sherry in the pantry. Probably highly oxidized by the time we got to the bottom, not that we could tell the difference.)
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Re: WTN: A sherry tasting

by Jay Miller » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:54 pm

Historically salt was added to the Sherry used for cooking so the help wouldn't drink it.

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