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What wine for venison?

by Brian Gilp » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:18 am

A friend gave us a nice blackstrap that I am going to make (seared on both sides then finished in the oven) with a port/currant reduction sauce. We don't eat a lot of venison and coupled with the sweetness of the sauce, I am unsure as to what to match with it. I am thinking a lower tannin, higher acid red which pushes me towards Italy and am thinking an Etna but not sure. Any ideas?
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Re: What wine for venison?

by David M. Bueker » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:00 am

Based on the sauce I would want something quite fruit forward as well, but without too much acid, as venison is lean and you won't need the acid to cut the fat as might happen with beef.

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Re: What wine for venison?

by Florida Jim » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:16 am

I think David's idea is a good one. Careful selection is key; too big and alcoholic may overwhelm.
As an alternative (and in keeping with your Italian inclination), il Frappato; lower tannins, forward fruit but still well structured.
Lots of possibilities, though.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by David M. Bueker » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:21 am

Nice call Jim. Frappato would do the trick nicely. Zweigelt would work as well.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Brian Gilp » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:32 am

Well I have waited for a reason to open my Occhipinti so maybe this is it. Unfortunately its an orphan and drank my last COS earlier this week, so no more after this bottle.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Thomas » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:52 am

Frappato--I like that.

Cerasuolo di Vittoria, maybe.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Gary Kahle » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:36 pm

I normally would do a big Rhone (Syrah from the North or younger CdP from the South) with venison but with the sauce you’re using maybe not. It sounds like you really need to match the sauce. I might still try something like a St Joseph or Cornas.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Clint Hall » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:28 pm

Amarone is something I've paired with venison with modest success a number of times, not because I'm persuaded that's the best possible way to go with venison but because I have some old Amarones in the cellar and get mediocre results matching them with most other things, other than a few cheeses. But I especially like your Etna idea -- not Nerello Mascalese or Frapato, as they don't seem to me big enough to do justice to venison, but Cerasuolo or Nero d'Avola seem like excellent matches. (If anyone disagrees with me strongly about the Mascalese match, please do me a favor and chime in, as I love the grape.)
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Lou Kessler » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:44 pm

Maybe a burg because of the sauce. A Nuits, Pommard, etc nothing on the femine side of the spectrum.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Brian Gilp » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:04 am

I ended up opening three bottles.
Drouhin Chorey-les-Beaune 2009 was too light and did not stand up to the sauce.
Patz and Hall Sonoma Coast 2009 was too big and had a bitter cherry cola element that also did not work with the sauce but did work very well with the Kale chips we made.
Occhipinti Il Frappato 2010 worked perfectly.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Mark Lipton » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:41 pm

Coming late to the party, venison and Syrah (especially from the N Rhone) is my standard pairing. The sweetness of the sauce is a concern, but I'd still try a more powerful Syrah.

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Re: What wine for venison?

by Clint Hall » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:35 am

It's hard to argue with a big Syrah, but I was suprised to hear that the Frappato worked so well.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Bill Spohn » Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:04 pm

I wouldn't do a sweet sauce like that - I'd temper it with some vinegar. And I'd look to Piemonte (and damn the acidity) or for something different, Veneto - maybe not a full blown Amarone, but a junior appassimento version, either Masi Grandarella or Campofiorin.

Having said that, I'd agree that the Frappato and Syrah suggestions are also worthy.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Clint Hall » Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:48 pm

Our various ways of spelling Frappato are a reminder that some of us, certainly me, maight have limited or only recent experience with it. (See my one-p Frapato above.) I'll apparently have to suspend judgement about Frappato until I've tasted more, but in the meantime I'd appreciate advice about good sources. A couple of local wine merchants have emailed pre-sale offers of ARIANNA OCCHIPINTI wines, including a couple of Frappatos, and I know Occhipinti has a good reputation. One them is a 2011 OCCCHIPINTI FRAPPATO IGT that the two stores are offering in the low and mid thirties, and it gets fair to good Cellar Tracker TNs. The other is her 2012 TAMI FRAPPATO IGT for about fifteen and seventeen dollars, which gets fair Cellar Tracker reviews. Any thoughts on these and other Frappatos?

By the way, what I do know and appreciate about Frappato is that it can work wonders in providing elegance for Nero d'Avola, in the Sicilian wine blend called Cerasuolo.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Thomas » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:45 pm

Clint Hall wrote:Our various ways of spelling Frappato are a reminder that some of us, certainly me, maight have limited or only recent experience with it. (See my one-p Frapato above.) I'll apparently have to suspend judgement about Frappato until I've tasted more, but in the meantime I'd appreciate advice about good sources. A couple of local wine merchants have emailed pre-sale offers of ARIANNA OCCHIPINTI wines, including a couple of Frappatos, and I know Occhipinti has a good reputation. One them is a 2011 OCCCHIPINTI FRAPPATO IGT that the two stores are offering in the low and mid thirties, and it gets fair to good Cellar Tracker TNs. The other is her 2012 TAMI FRAPPATO IGT for about fifteen and seventeen dollars, which gets fair Cellar Tracker reviews. Any thoughts on these and other Frappatos?

By the way, what I do know and appreciate about Frappato is that it can work wonders in providing elegance for Nero d'Avola, in the Sicilian wine blend called Cerasuolo.


You also have to be careful about use of the word Cerasuolo. It is a descriptive word for the cherry red color, but it is also a DOCG, Cerasuolo d'Abruzzo (more like a rosato) and in Sicily, Cerasuolo di Vittoria (which is not like a rosato).

You can look for Cantine COS Cerasuolo di Vittoria. I believe an Occhipinti was one of its founders.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Bill Spohn » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:16 pm

The reason we don't drink much Frappato in BC is the horrible QPR ratio. The 2012 Cos, for instance, sells for $35 here as opposed to around $25 eslewhere and the wine can be frankly equalled in quality by any number of other wines for lesser prices.

We also have the 2011 Valle dell 'acate from Vittoria, which underwhelmed me at last tasting and costs $25 here vs. $18 down there.
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Re: What wine for venison?

by Mark Lipton » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:31 pm

Thomas wrote:You can look for Cantine COS Cerasuolo di Vittoria. I believe an Occhipinti was one of its founders.


Yes, he's Arianna's uncle.

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Re: What wine for venison?

by Richard Fadeley OLD » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:38 pm

This is one arena that I have experience with. And a great chance to open either a Barbaresco or Barolo. I find these wines to be perfect with game, particularly with venison. We will often serve the loin (if that is what you have) as an aperitif, make sure to cook medium rare and serve with a horseradish sauce. Can be a main course or appetizer. The wine will not disappoint. Of course these wines need a little age to show their best, maybe something from '04-'09, and with a couple hour decant.
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